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The point of the original post was how bad of a passer he is and 50% isn't all that great by NFL standards.
The thing that should worry Vick fans is that his one skill set (out run everyone on the field) is the most fleeting of all skills anyone can have. Your just not going to last long that way. Just ask Bo Jackson and Earl Campbell and if those 2 can be beat down...anyone can.
When the wheels are gone Vick has absolutely no other QB skills to fall back on. Currently he's Trent Dilfer with legs, when those are gone he's just another Trent Dilfer.
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BayBuck
Buckeyes are best
And the point of the second post was that it hasn't killed the Falcons yet; I'm not saying he's an All-Pro, but his passing doesn't seem to be the most important part of their gameplan, seeing as he's attempted fewer passes than virtually everyone else on the list.
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crazybuckfan40
Head Coach
I have defended Vick so many times on this site. So if you don't know how I feel you can check some of the other threads.
I fuckin' hate stats, Krenzel didnt have great stats when he was here, but he played his game and did what he had to do to win. Same with Vick. Did anyone see the 2 td run on MNF and the other run where he kept the play alive and got enough yardage for the 1st down.
Also keep in mind two of his ints when through the recievers hands and a couple of his balls could of been caught.
Please give up on this whole Vick is not good bullshit, it is getting old. You see how the same team fared when Schaub was in there. They lost. The team is 5-1 with him as the starter this year and have made the playoffs with him as qb his 2 full years and sucked the year he was hurt.
I fuckin' hate stats, Krenzel didnt have great stats when he was here, but he played his game and did what he had to do to win. Same with Vick. Did anyone see the 2 td run on MNF and the other run where he kept the play alive and got enough yardage for the 1st down.
Also keep in mind two of his ints when through the recievers hands and a couple of his balls could of been caught.
Please give up on this whole Vick is not good bullshit, it is getting old. You see how the same team fared when Schaub was in there. They lost. The team is 5-1 with him as the starter this year and have made the playoffs with him as qb his 2 full years and sucked the year he was hurt.
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I've never really gotten into one of these Vick arguments you are talking about and I don't think he's terrible overall but he sucks as a passer.
If you are going to use the logic that stats aren't everything and all he does is win, well then he's gonna have to win something isn't he? Just making the playoffs in the weak-ass NFC isn't enough and any NFL team is gonna blow when the backup is in and the starter is out.
Hell if thats your criteria for a good QB, then Big Ben is the best in the NFL, did you see how shitty the Steelers looked when he went down?
Again, I'm not sue what your personal loyalties are to Vick and I'm not trying to rag on him excessively but the numbers don't lie no matter how much you hate them. He sucks as a passer, is great as a runner and any good NFL defense(the kind you find in the playoffs for example) will shut Atlanta down due to their one dimensional nature. Just look at what Philly did to them last year.
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Two great points. He's supposed to be running the West Coast offense, and for that, an adequate completion % is 60...the better QBs that run it are around 65% or better.
And I made the same point about Dilfer here at work on Tuesday.
I'm not a Vick hater, though I do think he's the most overhyped player in any sport, possibly in history (an example was Monday night, where they basically completely brushed off his terrible passing stats and said "You throw stats out the window with this guy" and it seems he's the only player that ever gets that benfit of the doubt...and he gets it all the time). Vick can do some things that no other QB can do...unfortunately for him, he can't complete many passes, and being one dimensional always catches up with you eventually (just look at what all of us are saying about the Minnesota Gophers right now). And he's fast, but not fast enough to beat an 11 man NFL defense by himself.
As for the record, I'd say the defense and Warrick Dunn have quite a bit to do with that, too. Look at the Monday night game, with all of Interceptaverde's turnovers...did it really look like Vick won that game for the Falcons? It didn't to me...
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AirForceBuck
No mercy
The thing about the Falcons is that everytime you watch them play they rarely talk about how maybe they need to shake up the QB position. Most of the talk is about finding a #1 receiver and how they have brought in 1st rounders for their corps and nothing has helped them in a leader shandpoint.
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bucknut11
Defense still wins Championships
Out of curiosity, I looked a few things up about Vick.
year - starts - record
2001 - 2 --- 1-1
2002 - 15 -- 8-6-1
2003 - 4 --- 3-1
2004 - 17 -- 12-5
2005 - 6 --- 5-1
------ 44 -- 29-14-1
That's a 66% winning rate. I know a lot of teams (cough cleveland cough) who would love to average winning 66% of the time. Granted he's not always healthy, but when he is, he gives his team a very good shot to win. Any QB who has that good of a winning percentage is not "horrible."
Does he do enough to get them the SuperBowl trophy? I dunno...
year - starts - record
2001 - 2 --- 1-1
2002 - 15 -- 8-6-1
2003 - 4 --- 3-1
2004 - 17 -- 12-5
2005 - 6 --- 5-1
------ 44 -- 29-14-1
That's a 66% winning rate. I know a lot of teams (cough cleveland cough) who would love to average winning 66% of the time. Granted he's not always healthy, but when he is, he gives his team a very good shot to win. Any QB who has that good of a winning percentage is not "horrible."
Does he do enough to get them the SuperBowl trophy? I dunno...
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People comparing him to CK need to stop and realize that CK never had so much media hype as far as his individual talents go and thats what probably rubs so many the wrong way about Vick.
If your only defense of the guy is his winning record then fine, he's one of those "game manager" types, I'll buy that. But you can't sit there and in the same breath tell me what an unstoppable force/great QB/MVP material player he is. He simply is none of those things.
He's a phenominal running QB who can't pass for shit on a pretty decent team as far as the NFC goes.
I agree with Bucklion, I don't really care about Vick one way or another but he's definitly among the top 5 overhyped athletes of all time. Go put his stat line next to David Carr's and tell me how much difference there is bewteen them.
If your only defense of the guy is his winning record then fine, he's one of those "game manager" types, I'll buy that. But you can't sit there and in the same breath tell me what an unstoppable force/great QB/MVP material player he is. He simply is none of those things.
He's a phenominal running QB who can't pass for shit on a pretty decent team as far as the NFC goes.
I agree with Bucklion, I don't really care about Vick one way or another but he's definitly among the top 5 overhyped athletes of all time. Go put his stat line next to David Carr's and tell me how much difference there is bewteen them.
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The Man
The truth
I have been a Falcons fan since I was 12 years old and Vick is the best thing to happen to the Falcons in the 15 years I have followed them. He is the most exciting player in the NFL, bar none. He different than the "normal" QB we are use to seeing because he is so athletic. He will never be Peyton Manning stat wise but as long as he wins 66% of his starts and gets Atlanta to the play-offs I'm happy.
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Remind me how Peyton has done against those "great defenses" in NE. Does that nullify his ability during the season?
The WRs would do better with a better passer, but Vick's WRs aren't that great.
as much as I love Jenkins, he is not a #1 WR in any sort of way. It hurts to say it, perhaps, but he is not on the level of a Keyshawn Johnson, who Irvin believes isn't a #1 wr (and I agree with him).
The WRs would do better with a better passer, but Vick's WRs aren't that great.
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Guy Incognito
Banned
I agree. Ive been a little disappointed in Jenkins so far. I thought he would be the best wideout drafted last year but he has not shown it at all so far.
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jimotis4heisman
Banned
maybe the best defense inthe league and the best running game in the leagueLoKyBuckeye said:
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I'm one of the folks that consider Vick overrated. But it's the insane amount of hype that he gets. He is a game changer no doubt...but for his legs, not his arm. If I was a DC in a big game, I would be pissing my pants trying to plan for him, because you never know when he's going to tear off a 50 yard scramble on your ass. He has that run-first mentality that I think is going to ultimately shorten his career. One of these days, somebody is going to pop him good, and he'll never be the same. Mark my words.
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