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Mike Leach (HC Mississippi State, a National Treasure, R.I.P.)

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Woody1968;1836468; said:
Vandy is hardly a better job than Maryland. The ACC is much easier to win than the SEC - For Vandy to even win their division, Florida, Georgia, Cocky and Tennesse would all have to have post-season bans, and Kentucky would have to have a down year, by their standards.
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Looks like they have a shot :wink2:


S-E-C S-E-C
 
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Woody1968;1836466; said:
this reminds me of Mason getting canned by the goofers.
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That was my first thought as well.

Mid pack programs who screw over their most successful coach in recent memory because he gave them inflated expectations tend not to do better in the long run.
 
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Muck;1836525; said:
That was my first thought as well.

Mid pack programs who screw over their most successful coach in recent memory because he gave them inflated expectations tend not to do better in the long run.
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That's what mid pack programs do. The only other option is to accept that your ceiling is 8-4 and going to a bowl named after a website that was founded last week. The logic is that it's better to wind up with a Tim Brewster in the hopes that you might have found a Jim Harbaugh than to continue with a Glen Mason who is neither.

Personally, I think Leach is an upgrade, and I'm glad to see the ol' pirate prowling the decks again. :pirate1:
 
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Woody1968;1836468; said:
Vandy is hardly a better job than Maryland. The ACC is much easier to win than the SEC - For Vandy to even win their division, Florida, Georgia, Cocky and Tennesse would all have to have post-season bans, and Kentucky would have to have a down year, by their standards.
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Head Coach is a better job than a coordinator.
 
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BrutusBobcat;1836533; said:
That's what mid pack programs do. The only other option is to accept that your ceiling is 8-4 and going to a bowl named after a website that was founded last week. The logic is that it's better to wind up with a Tim Brewster in the hopes that you might have found a Jim Harbaugh than to continue with a Glen Mason who is neither.

Personally, I think Leach is an upgrade, and I'm glad to see the ol' pirate prowling the decks again. :pirate1:
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How many mid-level teams have fired an 8-4 coach and gone on to greater success under the new guy? I have a hard time thinking of any. There's a reason we call these teams "mid-level" in the first place, and as Minnesota should have learned by now, there's something to be said for knowing your place in the food chain. Mid-level programs who try to bite off a little more than they can chew tend to find themselves going 1-11 rather quickly.

Oh - and don't underestimate the capacity of the ACC to drag previously well-regarded coaches down to their level of suck. See also: Butch Davis. If the ACC is there for the taking, what has been stopping him?
 
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jlb1705;1836545; said:
How many mid-level teams have fired an 8-4 coach and gone on to greater success under the new guy? I have a hard time thinking of any. There's a reason we call these teams "mid-level" in the first place, and as Minnesota should have learned by now, there's something to be said for knowing your place in the food chain. Mid-level programs who try to bite off a little more than they can chew tend to find themselves going 1-11 rather quickly.
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Its hard to convince a school that they are mid-level. Especially a school with as much football tradition as Minnesota.
 
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BengalsAndBucks;1836672; said:
Its hard to convince a school that they are mid-level. Especially a school with as much football tradition as Minnesota.
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I probably shouldn't have placed so much emphasis on the mid pack aspect in my initial post.

Top tier schools have certainly done their fair share of chasing after success as well.
 
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Appeals Court rules against ex-coach Mike Leach

In summary Texas Court of Appeals tells Leach that Texas Tech is a sovereign entity, that he should have known better than to make the arguments that he chose to make in front of the bench, and that Tech was within it's rights to fire him as they did.

Oh, and forget about monetary damages ... stupid.

LUBBOCK, Texas (AP)?A Texas appeals court threw out former coach Mike Leach?s breach of contract claim against Texas Tech on Friday, though it said he could still pursue non-monetary claims against the school over his controversial 2009 firing.

Leach did not immediately respond to a text message and couldn?t be reached by phone.

?We won,? Texas Tech attorney Dicky Grigg said. ?The court has held that he has no monetary claims against the school.?
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University attorneys had argued that Leach could not sue the school because Texas Tech is a state entity with sovereign immunity, meaning it can only be sued with permission from the state Legislature or a waiver based on a defendant?s conduct.

A trial court ruling went against the school, but the latest decision from the 7th Court of Appeals upheld Texas Tech?s assertion of immunity.
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In Friday?s ruling, the three-judge panel wrote that Leach needed ?good faith belief? that his lawsuit constituted making a report to an appropriate law enforcement authority, a requirement of the Texas Whistleblower Act.

Leach, who has a law degree, claimed that the university violated the whistleblower act by firing him after he filed his lawsuit.

The appeals court disagreed and suggested the argument shouldn?t have been made.

Leach, the judges wrote, had the ?savvy and intelligence? to field a Division I football team and keep current with NCAA rules along with several attorneys so he wasn?t ?left alone to sojourn? through a legal maze.

?Given this, we arrive at but one conclusion,? the panel said. ?In short, no evidence exists enabling us to conclude that Leach satisfied the objective prong of a good faith belief.?
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Leach plans to appeal to the Texas Supreme Court to try and get that elusive 800K bonus which is the primary monetary gripe between him and Texas Tech.
 
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sandgk;1861456; said:
Appeals Court rules against ex-coach Mike Leach

In summary Texas Court of Appeals tells Leach that Texas Tech is a sovereign entity, that he should have known better than to make the arguments that he chose to make in front of the bench, and that Tech was within it's rights to fire him as they did.

Oh, and forget about monetary damages ... stupid.



Leach plans to appeal to the Texas Supreme Court to try and get that elusive 800K bonus which is the primary monetary gripe between him and Texas Tech.
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Governmental immunity for breach of contract. That should make others that consider contracting with a state entity somewhat wary. . . .
 
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