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Michigan State Spartans (official thread)

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Let me say this. The idea that Urban would not coach at MSU just because MSU is too low for him is just not a true narrative. MSU has a decent tradition and has shown it is willing to do most of what is needed to have a winning program. So lets just stop with the idea MSU can not have nice things.

With that said. It is always going to be hard for any program that is not considered "Elite" to move up the ladder.

The reason is there are only so many elite athletes coming into college football each year. And while yes player development is key. The quality of the beginning product is important. Assuming you can level out the coaching and physical development of players, you are then left with the size and speed of the athlete from the beginning. And yes again there is also somewhat of a ceiling on speed and strength. But listen a Bosa or Young are not just coming out of HS by the dozens. And lets not even get started on Harrison Jr. So from this angle it is a hard hill to climb.

So now lets circle back to Urban. The real question is can MSU and Urban create an environment where he can get the incoming athlete he needs to win. That is where I think it is a fair discussion and the main reason Urban in particular would likely be hesitant to make the jump. Urban is addicted to winning. And if had any doubt that he could not get the support and player he felt he needs to win a Natty, then he would (I assume) say NO. Because after watching the Netflix special, I am not keenly aware that he NEEDS to win. It is not a want it is a NEED. His drive is off the charts. Like I actually worry about his health. I actually now believe that when he left Florida he was physically ill.
 
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Greyshirt said:
Let me say this. The idea that Urban would not coach at MSU just because MSU is too low for him is just not a true narrative. MSU has a decent tradition and has shown it is willing to do most of what is needed to have a winning program. So lets just stop with the idea MSU can not have nice things.

With that said. It is always going to be hard for any program that is not considered "Elite" to move up the ladder.

The reason is there are only so many elite athletes coming into college football each year. And while yes player development is key. The quality of the beginning product is important. Assuming you can level out the coaching and physical development of players, you are then left with the size and speed of the athlete from the beginning. And yes again there is also somewhat of a ceiling on speed and strength. But listen a Bosa or Young are not just coming out of HS by the dozens. And lets not even get started on Harrison Jr. So from this angle it is a hard hill to climb.

So now lets circle back to Urban. The real question is can MSU and Urban create an environment where he can get the incoming athlete he needs to win. That is where I think it is a fair discussion and the main reason Urban in particular would likely be hesitant to make the jump. Urban is addicted to winning. And if had any doubt that he could not get the support and player he felt he needs to win a Natty, then he would (I assume) say NO. Because after watching the Netflix special, I am not keenly aware that he NEEDS to win. It is not a want it is a NEED. His drive is off the charts. Like I actually worry about his health. I actually now believe that when he left Florida he was physically ill.
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Not that long ago, between 2010 and 2015 (6 seasons), they went 56-16, which includes a 7-6 clunker in 2012. One could certainly argue that during that brief period, Michigan State was indeed elite. It's not the school, or the money, that will keep Urban from coaching there.
 
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Bucklion said:
Not that long ago, between 2010 and 2015 (6 seasons), they went 56-16, which includes a 7-6 clunker in 2012. One could certainly argue that during that brief period, Michigan State was indeed elite. It's not the school, or the money, that will keep Urban from coaching there.
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I would consider there is winning and their is elite. For sure MSU was winning at an Elite level. But I would question if they ever had enough Elite talent to win it all. And listen I am not complaining. I would take winning the B10 once every 4-5 years and be happy.

But there is a huge span between getting a team good enough to win the B10 every single season and getting there every 3-5 years. The amount of talent and energy you need to different in my opinion.
 
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Greyshirt said:
I would consider there is winning and their is elite. For sure MSU was winning at an Elite level. But I would question if they ever had enough Elite talent to win it all. And listen I am not complaining. I would take winning the B10 once every 4-5 years and be happy.

But there is a huge span between getting a team good enough to win the B10 every single season and getting there every 3-5 years. The amount of talent and energy you need to different in my opinion.
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If you made it to CFP, you were probably elite.
The problem is that this period is a blip in MSU's entire history -- and you fired that guy. I wasn't paying much attention as to what scandal he got involved in, but Mel Tucker was never taking you anywhere and created his own scandal.
The last time you were on the cusp of eliteness, Plaxico Burress and Saban were on the sidelines. We know how that turned out.
 
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Steve19 said:
Meyer will never coach again.
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If he passes up the TAM gig I doubt he will ever coach. They would throw the kitchen sink at him and give him anything he wants.

I will say it again. After watching the special about him at Florida I am not sure if coaching is healthy for him. He runs hot and I mean white hot. Winning for him is not something he strives for it is a need.
 
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I think Smith would've stayed at his alma mater for years before the PAC 12 turned into the PAC TWO. Now, this seems possible.

 
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