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Michigan Coaching Speculation

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Good hire for Scum, ? for us. We'll see. He will have better recruits to draw on, not having to take people like Lazear, etc. that are marginal humans, as well as students.

It seems already paying dividends for Meatchicken. I read somewhere that Terrelle Pryor now includes the University of Michigan on his list of schools. Now THAT would be a tragedy if he matriculates up north rather than at tOSU!!!!!!!

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OregonBuckeye;1031129; said:
I unfortunately caught Around The Horn's comments on D-Rod.:bonk: I would not recommend it.
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Let me guess...he's going to bring an undefendible amount of speed to the Big 10 that could only be out done by the SEC. Every tOSU-UM game from here on out will resemble the MNCG against UF of last year. OSU is officially off the map of college football and the Big 10 will be won by UM ever year. Since, the SEC champion will be the only team in the NCAA that will be able to compete with said speed the national championship every year from here on out will be played between the SEC champion and Michigan. Was I close?
 
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xcrunner;1031086; said:
Tressel did OK his first time on the big stage against TSUN...
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He had also been on the sidelines for The Game three times as a Buckeye assistant...and grew up next door to Lou Groza.

Coach Tressel understood The Game long before he encountered it as a head coach.
 
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Muck;1031142; said:
He had also been on the sidelines for The Game three times as a Buckeye assistant...and grew up next door to Lou Groza.

Coach Tressel understood The Game long before he encountered it as a head coach.
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To augment this, I would also say that I think Coop was a pretty damn good recruiter. He didn't leave the cupboard bare for Tressel. Whereas, I don't know that the recruitment for scUM has been as strong.
 
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Reading the post from the past two days I think there have been a lot of unfair comments made towards RR, including many of my own. But I do have some lingering questions about UMs selection.

If they were in fact ready to hire Miles, and I believe they were, that means there was no strong mindset that they wanted to make a drastic move away from traditional power football.

Yet soon after Miles is out of the picture they do move strongly away to a man who by his own admission doesn't know any other way.

So, if the attraction of RR was not the spread option, what is?

He is not a proven recruiter (in fact his highest rated recruits are kids he was willing to take chances - and arguably compromises - on rather than clear cut wins over other programs). Evidence of his ability to develop talent seems limited to developing players to play in the spread option and certainly does not extend to the Defense (I can't find a single WVU player from last years 11-2 team that was drafted and the prospects for this year are not impressive). He is not proven in winning big games beyond his "hang on for dear life" upset of Georgia two years ago and some shoot outs against overrated Big East rivals.

He has won a lot of games and at 33-4 the past three years I give him toms of credit for that. But he did it with Slaton, White and the spread option. The spread has proven to be a way for mediocre programs to make great leaps on the backs of two or three players. Nobody has done that better than RR. So if the attraction is his spread I get it. But as a second or third choice that seems like an interesting compromise for a program like Michigan.

I am honestly not trying to bash the guy - just trying to figure out what I am missing.
 
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Oh8ch;1031183; said:
Reading the post from the past two days I think there have been a lot of unfair comments made towards RR, including many of my own. But I do have some lingering questions about UMs selection.

If they were in fact ready to hire Miles, and I believe they were, that means there was no strong mindset that they wanted to make a drastic move away from traditional power football.

Yet soon after Miles is out of the picture they do move strongly away to a man who by his own admission doesn't know any other way.

So, if the attraction of RR was not the spread option, what is?

He is not a proven recruiter (in fact his highest rated recruits are kids he was willing to take chances - and arguably compromises - on rather than clear cut wins over other programs). Evidence of his ability to develop talent seems limited to developing players to play in the spread option and certainly does not extend to the Defense (I can't find a single WVU player from last years 11-2 team that was drafted and the prospects for this year are not impressive). He is not proven in winning big games beyond his "hang on for dear life" upset of Georgia two years ago and some shoot outs against overrated Big East rivals.

He has won a lot of games and at 33-4 the past three years I give him toms of credit for that. But he did it with Slaton, White and the spread option. The spread has proven to be a way for mediocre programs to make great leaps on the backs of two or three players. Nobody has done that better than RR. So if the attraction is his spread I get it. But as a second or third choice that seems like an interesting compromise for a program like Michigan.

I am honestly not trying to bash the guy - just trying to figure out what I am missing.
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To answer the questions about recruiting, I'd refer you back to mgoblog. Excellent points made about RR's recruiting abilities, which essentially boil down to this: West Virginia is a state completely barren of college talent, so RR was always having to battle the big boys in PA and OH for players from those states. Now he has all those well-established connections, right in his own rivals' backyard, plus he can recruit in-state talent, plus he isn't recruiting them to Morgantown, WV, which is huge.

When you think about it, it's easy to criticize him for not having stellar recruiting classes, but what business does West Virginia have in even playing with the big boys? Sure, the Big East is not a powerhouse conference, but places like Louisville, Syracuse, Pitt....shouldn't these be more attractive destinations than Morgantown, WV? When a Pittsburgh or a Youngstown recruit lines up his choices, West Virginia shouldn't even be on the map up against JoePa at Penn State, or Columbus, or maybe some place like Tennessee or Virginia Tech. But WVU is right up there. Might not be the choice in the end, but they probably don't have any business being on the list in the first place.

I'm betting the recruiting will not be a real big issue.
 
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Oh8ch;1031183; said:
He has won a lot of games and at 33-4 the past three years I give him toms of credit for that. But he did it with Slaton, White and the spread option. The spread has proven to be a way for mediocre programs to make great leaps on the backs of two or three players. Nobody has done that better than RR. So if the attraction is his spread I get it. But as a second or third choice that seems like an interesting compromise for a program like Michigan.

I am honestly not trying to bash the guy - just trying to figure out what I am missing.
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Florida is doing quite well with the spread. If RR can somehow recruit on anything near the level that Meyer is doing- and coach as well as Meyer- the spread will be just as dangerous, if not moreso, than anything else in the country.

That being said... I haven't watched enough of WVU's games to know much about their defense. I've heard that their defense is quite good this year. However, will they be able to stand up against Beanie & co.? Somehow I doubt it. It also remains to be seen how he will be able to recruit at Michigan, and who he hires as his DC. If he hires a good DC and recruits well he could bring Michigan to national-power status again, and create a real threat to us.

Personally I think his teams will have outstanding offenses but soft defenses. Can't wait to see how it all turns out.
 
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BearBuck27;1031132; said:
Let me guess...he's going to bring an undefendible amount of speed to the Big 10 that could only be out done by the SEC. Every tOSU-UM game from here on out will resemble the MNCG against UF of last year. OSU is officially off the map of college football and the Big 10 will be won by UM ever year. Since, the SEC champion will be the only team in the NCAA that will be able to compete with said speed the national championship every year from here on out will be played between the SEC champion and Michigan. Was I close?
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Ha, the scary thing is, almost

They went on and on about how RR will "bring the 21st century to Michigan and the Big 10" and how RR will basically now smack around Big 10 teams because of the almighty undefendable spread-option offense, which apparently anyone from north of the Mason Dixon line does not have the ability to defend.



Oh, and yeah, Jay Mariotti basically announced that RR is bringing Pryor to Michigan, and that they are going to be the foundation of Michigan of the future.
 
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RR is a good hire. Much better than Smiles IMO.

The bigger question is who else would/could they have gotten. Not to minimize RR's hire but the pickins are real slim without going with an unknown quantity.

You gotta admit we took a flyer on Tressel but he had alot of experience coaching in relative big games.

In hindsight, Carr had alot of input, not in a helpful way, especially when considering he was the reason for the semi demise of the program. Paterno is the same way. PSU didn't take a dive just because they joined the Big 10 as someone inferred earlier. The game just passes them by and it's harder for recruits to relate.
 
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