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Miami (FL) Hurricanes (1926-2003)

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Pheasant;1977573; said:
Ehhh...if the guy can't even beat out Jacory Harris I'm sure he would have completed a fair number of passes to the good guys.
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If he can't beat out Jacorky, he probably yelled hike, turned around and punted the ball out of the back of the endzone.

I mean, if you aren't good enough to get improper benefits at the U...
 
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I want our self-imposed penalties, 11 wins and HOF coach back.

I really don't know what anyone can say about this. I'm guessing that when the subpoenas are served and depos taken that this has to get worse for them... but as of now, wow... just wow.

Game week... moving on.
 
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MaxBuck;1977595; said:
board contrarian speaks: I don't see any particular problem with the sanctions announced so far. I'd expect some vacations of past season wins, but with respect to the current players, I have no problem.
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I just thought that the guys that got 1 game should have received 2, based on NCAA guidelines. But as long as tOSU wins on Sept 17, it won't matter.

I agree that da U is going to get hammered when the overall investigation is completed, but that might take a couple of years. I think I see the hammering more in terms of bowl bans and scholarship reductions, but they might also have to vacate past wins. But they haven't won anything worth vacating since they joined the ACC, and I don't think the NCAA will go back and do anything to their record before 2005. If it comes to pass, I don't think most Cane fans will lose any sleep about giving back the 2006 MPC Computers Bowl Trophy.

Honestly Gator, I didn't stop at 2005 just because going back 1 more day would get them to vacate a Peach Bowl win over Florida. It was just a coincidence.

I'll await the weighing in of the national media on the comparison of guys getting 5 games for getting some tattoos from a guy not associated with tOSU to guys getting 1 game for going clubbing/yachting with a prominent booster.
 
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Mandel weighs in on the 8 suspensions.

SI.com

The NCAA ruled Tuesday on the eligibility of eight Miami players implicated in the Nevin Shapiro scandal, and while all eight will miss action (ranging from one to six games) for accepting impermissible benefits, it certainly could have been worse. No one was deemed permanently ineligible, like North Carolina's stars last season. Several key players (quarterback Jacory Harris, defensive tackle Marcus Forston, linebacker Sean Spence and receiver Travis Benjamin) will miss just one game. The 'Canes will be extremely short-handed for Monday's opener against Maryland (no small thing since it's an ACC game). However, all but safety Ray Ray Armstrong (four games), defensive lineman Oliver Vernon (six games) and backup tight end Dyron Dye (four games) will be back for the 'Canes' Sept. 17 clash with Ohio State.


But the same NCAA release that spelled out the specifics of the Miami 8's reinstatement decisions does not bode well for the school's prospects in the NCAA's separate and wider enforcement investigation into possible Shapiro-related infractions. In very specific detail, the NCAA spells out exactly what benefits each player received from Shapiro, and in doing so, paints mostly the exact same picture the jailed booster spelled out in Yahoo!'s investigation. Forston's $400 in extra benefits included "nightclub cover charges and entertainment at a gentleman's club." Vernon's $1,200 in benefits dated to his recruitment and included "access to Shapiro's game suite, drinks, as well as cover charges at two different nightclubs, among others."


The fact that these players apparently spilled the beans to investigators puts a fork in the belly of any skeptics out there (mostly defensive Miami fans, though certain pot-stirring journalists have recently joined the party) still clinging to the possibility that the busted Ponzi schemer made this stuff up, too. Considering how closely the details in the NCAA's release about these eight players matched the descriptions in Yahoo!'s piece, it's now reasonable to believe he probably did most of the things he said he did with all 72 athletes. Not that the NCAA needs to track down all 72. A booster providing benefits to eight players is enough on its own to merit major violations, not to mention several other former Hurricanes now at other schools (namely Purdue's Robert Marve, Kansas State's Bryce and Arthur Brown) reportedly received "limited immunity" to speak with investigators without jeopardizing their eligibility. Presumably they shared much the same stories.


And if anyone disclosed violations that occurred prior to Feb. 26, 2008 (and several of the aforementioned player signed with the school earlier that month), it triggers "repeat violator" status for Miami -- which can lead to harsher penalties.

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BB73;1977603; said:
I just thought that the guys that got 1 game should have received 2, based on NCAA guidelines. But as long as tOSU wins on Sept 17, it won't matter.
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Yeah. One game "feels" light..mostly because of the enormity of the scope of the deal. But I guess that shows up on the infractions end and not the eligibility part.
BB73;1977603; said:
I agree that da U is going to get hammered when the overall investigation is completed, but that might take a couple of years. I think I see the hammering more in terms of bowl bans and scholarship reductions, but they might also have to vacate past wins. But they haven't won anything worth vacating since they joined the ACC, and I don't think the NCAA will go back and do anything to their record before 2005. If it comes to pass, I don't think most Cane fans will lose any sleep about giving back the 2006 MPC Computers Bowl Trophy.

Honestly Gator, I didn't stop at 2005 just because going back 1 more day would get them to vacate a Peach Bowl win over Florida. It was just a coincidence.
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Honestly Bill, until you mentioned it, I'd almost forgotten about that one.
BB73;1977603; said:
I'll await the weighing in of the national media on the comparison of guys getting 5 games for getting some tattoos from a guy not associated with tOSU to guys getting 1 game for going clubbing/yachting with a prominent booster.
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Looks like they pretty much go to a chart that shows the value of the improper benefit(s), and go from there - at least for a baseline.
 
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BB73;1977603; said:
But they haven't won anything worth vacating since they joined the ACC, and I don't think the NCAA will go back and do anything to their record before 2005. If it comes to pass, I don't think most Cane fans will lose any sleep about giving back the 2006 MPC Computers Bowl Trophy.

Honestly Gator, I didn't stop at 2005 just because going back 1 more day would get them to vacate a Peach Bowl win over Florida. It was just a coincidence,
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BB, the Peach Bowl win over Florida was in 04. In 05, Da U lost 40-3 against LSU in the Peach Bowl.
 
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So what happens when the full investigation is over and it is discovered that these guys that got a 1 game suspension actually took more than $100....more vacated wins i guess.


I know I sound like a "where there is smoke ther is fire guy" but Shapiro is handing out booze and lap dances at a gentlemans's club like candy and the tab was less than 400 bucks. color me pessimistic.
 
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Gatorubet;1976792; said:
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The Wonderlick Years
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Mmmmmmmm..... Winnie Cooper.... mmmmm..... You guys mind leaving the room for a few minutes??
 
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Ryan36_1;1977656; said:
Don't sell short the Canes. I'm sure that brawl was a marquee heavyweight bout.

UM-FIU - YouTube
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Canes analyst Thomas fired for comments during brawl


ESPN.com news services

Former 'Cane Lamar Thomas during FIU brawl...

Thomas made his comments as dozens of Miami and FIU players stormed the Orange Bowl field and fought during the third quarter of their teams' game Saturday night, an incident that led to the suspension of at least 31 players and forced officials from both schools to publicly apologize for the melee.
"Now, that's what I'm talking about," Thomas said as the brawl raged out of control. "You come into our house, you should get your behind kicked. You don't come into the OB playing that stuff. You're across the ocean over there. You're across the city. You can't come over to our place talking noise like that. You'll get your butt beat. I was about to go down the elevator to get in that thing."


Meh, once a 'Cane always a 'Cane I guess...
 
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Sportsbuck28;1977611; said:
BB, the Peach Bowl win over Florida was in 04. In 05, Da U lost 40-3 against LSU in the Peach Bowl.
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Yep - that's why I said that only going back to the 2005 season would NOT affect the win over Florida, they'd have to go back 1 day beyond that, since that Peach Bowl was played on 12-31-2004.
 
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