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Why Locker didn't go pro



Despite a proclamation by ESPN's Todd McShay that Jake Locker would/should/could be the first overall pick, a league source tells us that Locker didn't receive a first-round grade from the Advisory Committee. The source concedes that Locker might have still be drafted in round one given the value of the position, but the source insists that McShay was flat wrong in his assessment of Locker.
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I always thought the Locker/#1 overall talk was a little crazy, guess McShay being the source explains that...
 
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Why Locker didn't go pro



Despite a proclamation by ESPN's Todd McShay that Jake Locker would/should/could be the first overall pick, a league source tells us that Locker didn't receive a first-round grade from the Advisory Committee. The source concedes that Locker might have still be drafted in round one given the value of the position, but the source insists that McShay was flat wrong in his assessment of Locker.
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Aaahhh...The universe is in sync again, validation that McShay is a complete hack. I'm relieved. I always had a suspicion that these draft "experts" were fools. I always thought "If these guys are so smart there would be 32 teams knocking down their door for advice". Watching the draft coverage it always felt kinda like the tail wagging the dog so to speak.
 
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Why Locker didn't go pro



Despite a proclamation by ESPN's Todd McShay that Jake Locker would/should/could be the first overall pick, a league source tells us that Locker didn't receive a first-round grade from the Advisory Committee. The source concedes that Locker might have still be drafted in round one given the value of the position, but the source insists that McShay was flat wrong in his assessment of Locker.
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:banger:

I'd like to buy this source a beer.

Locker is a good player, but I couldn't see #1 pick overall. Maybe McShay is just butt buddies with Sark from his USC days.
 
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I'm not clear on why it's necessary to label McShay or Kiper as being "asshats" or some similar pejorative. They both know more about the NFL draft than just about anybody posting here, but neither one is infallible. Personally, I learn a lot from both of them, and I try not to get bent out of shape when one or the other of them says something negative about a Buckeye. They say positive and negative things about players from every major team.

As for Locker, it's his decision to stay, and I think it's a good decision. Pete Carroll would certainly approve. :wink2:
 
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MaxBuck;1625099; said:
I'm not clear on why it's necessary to label McShay or Kiper as being "asshats" or some similar pejorative. They both know more about the NFL draft than just about anybody posting here, but neither one is infallible. Personally, I learn a lot from both of them, and I try not to get bent out of shape when one or the other of them says something negative about a Buckeye. They say positive and negative things about players from every major team.

As for Locker, it's his decision to stay, and I think it's a good decision. Pete Carroll would certainly approve. :wink2:
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I don't understand. He hasn't be labeled an asshat. Todd McShay is an asshat. :confused:
 
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They both know more about the NFL draft than just about anybody posting here
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Based on what? What are his bonafides?

ESPN thrusts actors into caricature roles all of the time. They are not a news agency, they are an entertainment entity who currently always put fluff & ratings ahead of journalistic integrity and balance.
 
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jwinslow;1625108; said:
ESPN thrusts actors into caricature roles all of the time. They are not a news agency, they are an entertainment entity who has always put fluff & ratings ahead of journalistic integrity and balance.
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This.

McShay and Kiper know as much as their told or as much as they've memorized and assimilated from better journalists or analysts who actually put the work into what the draft may shape up to be.

Aside from that, if you look at the best players in college, then determine a professional teams needs - its not all that hard to develop your own boards.

Aside from that they project what? 2 rounds? Maybe 3? How in the hell hard can it be to throw together 96 players out of hundreds that are hoping to have their names called the first day.

After that its just "I like his upside" or "I like his potential" etc etc garbage.
 
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What irritates me the most about these guys is their willingness to blast anyone who picks a guy earlier than they project. A guy drafted a round ahead of their projection is a "huge reach"...ignoring the fact that the real scouts and GMs who do this professionally obviously disagree.

Obviously, there are exceptions, like the Raiders and Lions, but for the most part....if I have to trust the judgment of one talking head or a group of professional talent scouts, I'm going to defer to the professionals almost every time. The attitude of "this group of scouts doesn't know what they're doing, but I do!" is what makes them asshats, IMO.
 
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jwinslow;1625108; said:
They are not a news agency, they are an entertainment entity who has always put fluff & ratings ahead of journalistic integrity and balance.
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Not true. It is true that ESPN has become an entertainment entity but to say that they have always been this way is simply not true.

I am old enough to remember when ESPN first came on the air and in the beginning, they were not what they are today. They reported, they covered things, they weren't about the entertainment side of things like they have become over the past 10-15 years.

It sucks to come to certain realizations that deal with the passage of time (i.e., becoming "old"). I was just talking to my oldest son about this the other day. Specifically, that I am so old that I remember when ESPN covered sports, covered stories rather than try to make the stories and be an entertainment outlet. I am so old that I remember when the 'M' in MTV stood for "music" and that music videos were shown 24/7.
 
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Fair enough prof. I edited my post to include 'currently'

I was flat out shocked when I heard Dick Vitale call a game early in Larry Bird's career with the Celtics. His stories were tactful addons not brash name-droppings. His tone was reserved and he was a solid but unspectacular addition to the game, not the guy with the loudspeaker at the corner of Olentangy & Lane deafening you with his impolite outbursts.
 
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