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Lou Holtz (Official Thread)

ND Chief,
I did, but I didn't really need to.

Derrick Watson was about as ineligible as they come coming out of high school, yet lo and behold he was able to get into South Carolina?!!??! (Yes, Tennessee was actively recruiting him as well.)

Notre Dame never had any problems until Lou Holtz became coach. He got out while the getting was still good. He left the next regime and the FANS with a huge mess. You really going to defend this guy?

Llightning rod, if you're looking for consistency from espin you may as well look for GW Bush to speak at a Planned Parenthood meeting. It ain't going to happen.
 
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Allowing two players to compete while ineligible, after they self-reported the violation, justifies the 'lack of institutional control' citation to me.
 
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However, the self-report failed to state that the student-athletes had competed in 2 contests while ineligible, and understated the amount and value of the tutoring. As a result, the student-athletes competed while ineligible in 2001 and 2002
... which means Tress is now 4 - 0 in bowl competition, since SC will eventually be required to forfeit their 2001/02 Outback Bowl victory over OSU. :wink2:
 
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if there's anything to be eternally grateful for when it comes to hiring coaches, i will have to say that it's the fact that the AD (can't remember his name) wanted Lou to go through the interview process when looking for a successor to Woody... Lou wanted to be hired without going through that process, and like a spoiled child, stomped away from tOSU when he learned that he wasn't the 'only' choice... thank God...

Lou is a scumbag, pure and simple... has he ever left a program that DIDN'T end up on probation?
 
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Burk98 said:
You may want to check out who hired Lou Holtz recently. I heard on Mike & Mike this morning that he is working for ESPN this season.
Perhaps that's why this thread's title is 'Does ESPN fire Holtz'.
 
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lvbuckeye said:
if there's anything to be eternally grateful for when it comes to hiring coaches, i will have to say that it's the fact that the AD (can't remember his name) wanted Lou to go through the interview process when looking for a successor to Woody... Lou wanted to be hired without going through that process, and like a spoiled child, stomped away from tOSU when he learned that he wasn't the 'only' choice... thank God...

Lou is a scumbag, pure and simple... has he ever left a program that DIDN'T end up on probation?
Yes. There is one. Read your first paragraph and think about the year 1968. (yes, I know you were talking as HC, not just position coach)
 
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lvbuckeye said:
if there's anything to be eternally grateful for when it comes to hiring coaches, i will have to say that it's the fact that the AD (can't remember his name) wanted Lou to go through the interview process when looking for a successor to Woody... Lou wanted to be hired without going through that process, and like a spoiled child, stomped away from tOSU when he learned that he wasn't the 'only' choice... thank God...
Hugh Hindman was the AD between 1977 and 1984, the period when Earle replaced Woody for the 1979 season.
 
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Grad,
I havent seen this anywhere else but I heard on a local radio station here in S.Carolina that the kicker that kicked the game winner against tOSU in the Outback was one of the main players involved. I guess that gives us some extra ammo :biggrin:
 
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No way ESPN fires him. They would lose their supply of ELFudges.




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That very well may be. My point about this whole thing is I want to see how espn reports on this.

Lou Holtz has had the NCAA on his heels after he left Arkansas, Minny, Notre Dame, and now South Carolina.

I've heard the argument that "It's Ohio State so people want to know about it. It's a big time program."

Well Lou Holtz is just about a household name in America. Hell, my wife even knows who he is.

So where's the coverage on espn? Nobody can tell me that espn didn't have an agenda against Ohio State over the last two years because this should have been their lead story on Sportscenter and they have not even mentioned it.
 
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ysubuck said:
That very well may be. My point about this whole thing is I want to see how espn reports on this.

Lou Holtz has had the NCAA on his heels after he left Arkansas, Minny, Notre Dame, and now South Carolina.

I've heard the argument that "It's Ohio State so people want to know about it. It's a big time program."

Well Lou Holtz is just about a household name in America. Hell, my wife even knows who he is.

So where's the coverage on espn? Nobody can tell me that espn didn't have an agenda against Ohio State over the last two years because this should have been their lead story on Sportscenter and they have not even mentioned it.
In the interest of balanced commentary, I'd just like to point out that, to my knowledge, nobody has accused Lou Holtz of any NCAA violations while he was the head coach at William & Mary, whom he led to their only post-1950 bowl appearance in the 1970 Tangerine Bowl. :biggrin:
 
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espn.com$

7/18/05

COLUMBIA, S.C. -- Lou Holtz promised to take South Carolina football into the national spotlight. The school's NCAA violations aren't likely the attention he was seeking, however.

Holtz did not return phone messages by The Associated Press at his Florida home Wednesday or Thursday. At a celebrity golf tournament in Nevada on Thursday, Holtz said the violations didn't involve "any real major stuff that happened."

"No coach was involved," he said, according to an interview transcript provided by the tournament. "The major fallacy was that we tutored two young men, or I guess the academic people tutored two young men before they attended the university.

"Five of the violations were reported by us," Holtz continued, "there was no money involved, no recruiting violations, no enticements, but nevertheless, we don't want any marks against us."

The university admitted to 10 violations in a summary disposition report released Wednesday. It agreed with the NCAA enforcement staff that five of the violations were major. South Carolina classified the other five as secondary, although the NCAA disagreed and called one of the five major, an issue that will no doubt get taken up when the NCAA Committee on Infractions discusses the report in the coming weeks.

With Holtz named in only the most minor of ways in the report, do the violations cloud his successful tenure?

"I don't know if it changes anything," said former Gov. Jim Hodges, who was cited for an NCAA violation when he talked to prospects (governors are ex-officio members of the university's board of trustees). "Lou did a lot of good things for the university."

That was certainly the case early on when Holtz stunned the football world (and probably most South Carolina fans) by going from 0-11 in 1999 to 17-7 and consecutive Outback Bowl victories in 2000 and 2001 -- the best two-year stretch in school history.

When news broke in 2002 that the NCAA was looking into South Carolina, Holtz angrily defended his program.

"They don't think we can win without cheating," Holtz said at the time. "They don't think we can recruit without cheating and this is nonsense."

The school has proposed penalties of two years' probation, losing four football scholarships over two seasons and reducing its on-campus paid recruiting visits.

The 80-page summary disposition report largely leaves Holtz out of transgressions.

The most serious violations involved the conduct of former athletic administrator Tom Perry and former football strength and condition coach Pat Moorer.

The report said Perry provided academic assistance to a pair of recruits who had signed with South Carolina but had not yet enrolled.

In Holtz's interview with NCAA investigators, the coach said he had no knowledge of tutoring assistance being provided. He "did say the football staff might have monitored" the progress of an incoming player who was at Midlands Technical College, according to the report.

The NCAA report found that Moorer was the "chief actor" in conducting out-of-season athletics activities for football student athletes. Holtz said in the report he had no knowledge of Moorer conducting mandatory summer workouts or punishing or compelling makeup workouts for those players who missed sessions. Holtz noted to investigators, "I assume players

As far as Gov. Hodges' contact with prospects, Holtz told investigators he was "as shocked as anybody" to see the chief executive.


Holtz said he did not know such contact violated NCAA rules until after the fact.

Holtz has kept a very low profile in the state since leaving South Carolina in November. In June, ESPN announced that Holtz would join the network as a college football studio analyst.

Recently retired athletic director Mike McGee, who brought Holtz out of retirement in December 1998 and then hired Steve Spurrier as football coach after this last season, has said Holtz was disappointed how his final year ended.

He wasn't the only one. University president Andrew Sorensen said the violations "certainly cast our university in a light that no one in the Carolina family condones."

Still, Holtz was optimistic about the Gamecocks chances under Spurrier, even with NCAA sanctions. "He's a winner," he said at the American Century Celebrity Golf Championship. "We took the program from the bottom. We made it very respectable in the SEC. I think he can take it to the next step."
 
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