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Losing Early, Now What Needs to Happen - 2010 Chaos Theory

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BuckeyeNation27 said:
I'll take the Rose over the Sugar every day.
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Don't get me wrong...so would I. But our situation is still a great one...a lot better than MSU's, which is quite unfair. If your conference has 3 teams in the top 10, they all should be able to go to a BCS game.

This won't be the first time that we are going to a BCS game because we have more fans than another school. But the BCS should try to pretend it is the top match-ups and the bowls with the best of the best. It's just the scenerio that will get them the most money. Heck...if they could get away with it, they'd invite Notre Dame instead of Stanford.

To me it's kind of disgusting that the Rose Bowl is a part of the BCS. It's even more disgusting that TCU is going to get to play in it. Granted TCU is WAY better than Boise because at least they have a strong history.
 
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Gatorubet;1823563; said:
You mean if I back the SEC team none of you will be drinking? :p

Anyway, I think Spur-dog is gonna beat Auburn. So......ya know...... :lol:
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1) It's quite clear that BB73 is talking about projections with the top-2 intact, but congrats on the productive mockery. Oregon, Auburn could both lose, folks could vote to keep TCU out of the NC. We could get nuts, or make projections based on what we have now.

2) I'm not sure Auburn is a more profitable selection for the Sugar Bowl than Ohio State.

Happy vs devastated fanbase.
Airfare vs road trip.
Hotel vs drive in - night before.

Are Auburn fans going to make it a long holiday trip like many OSU fans?
 
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jwinslow said:
1) It's quite clear that BB73 is talking about projections with the top-2 intact, but congrats on the productive mockery. Oregon, Auburn could both lose, folks could vote to keep TCU out of the NC. We could get nuts, or make projections based on what we have now.

2) I'm not sure Auburn is a more profitable selection for the Sugar Bowl than Ohio State.

Happy vs devastated fanbase.
Airfare vs road trip.
Hotel vs drive in - night before.

Are Auburn fans going to make it a long holiday trip like many OSU fans?
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Auburn can't go to the Sugar Bowl. If South Carolina beats Auburn, then South Carolina gets an automatic bid to the Sugar Bowl since that is the SECs tie in bowl. Therefore the Sugar would definitely not take Auburn to play SC again. To me, there isn't much chaos left...TCU is unlikely to get jumped in my mind, with nobody behind them left to play and the gap pretty wide and you can't change the computers mind...and I feel the same way with Stanford ahead of Wisconsin.

The way I see it...

If Oregon and Auburn win:

BCS Champ Game: Oregon v. Auburn
Rose: Wisconsin v. TCU
Sugar: Arkansas v. Ohio State
Orange: ACC Champ v. Big East Champ
Fiesta: Big 12 Champ v. Stanford

If Oregon wins and Auburn loses:

BCS Champ Game: Oregon v. TCU
Rose: Wisconsin v. Stanford
Sugar: South Carolina v. Ohio State
Orange: ACC Champ v. Auburn
Fiesta: Big 12 Champ v. Big East Champ

If Oregon loses and Auburn wins:

BCS Champ Game: TCU v. Auburn
Rose: Wisconsin v. Oregon
Sugar: Arkansas v. Ohio State
Orange: ACC Champ v. Big East Champ
Fiesta: Big 12 Champ v. Stanford

If both Oregon and Auburn lose:

BCS Champ Game: TCU v. Stanford
Rose: Wisconsin v. Oregon
Sugar: South Carolina v. Ohio State
Orange: ACC Champ v. Auburn
Fiesta: Big 12 Champ v. Big East Champ



So as it is right now, only two fan bases can start buying tickets to a bowl game. Ohio State to the Sugar and Wisconsin to the Rose.
 
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Gatorubet;1823452; said:
2 many drinks - we can haz them?
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jwinslow;1823453; said:
Who are they taking first instead?
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Gatorubet;1823563; said:
You mean if I back the SEC team none of you will be drinking? :p

Anyway, I think Spur-dog is gonna beat Auburn. So......ya know...... :lol:
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jwinslow;1823568; said:
1) It's quite clear that BB73 is talking about projections with the top-2 intact, but congrats on the productive mockery.
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Oops. I thought you were asking who was Ubet taking first...i.e., was I backing the Bucks or the evil SEC and then you'd figure out if you were drinking with me.

Sorry for reading the "they" as "you".

But nice to see that I can mock productively - even by accident. :lol:
 
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jwinslow;1823568; said:
2) I'm not sure Auburn is a more profitable selection for the Sugar Bowl than Ohio State.

Happy vs devastated fanbase.
Airfare vs road trip.
Hotel vs drive in - night before.

Are Auburn fans going to make it a long holiday trip like many OSU fans?
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No scenario where the barners get in the Sugar.
 
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kn1f3party;1824564; said:
Any possibility that if Oregon loses, Wisconsin jumps Stanford? Humans do funny things when they're faced with a prospect like Stanford / TCU.
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The humans already almost all have Wiscy ahead of Stanford, They'd have to really game the system to get Wiscy to jump Stanford in the BCS, like drop Stanford below tOSU in the human polls despite neither one playing this week.

But there will be some hesitancy about Stanford getting into the Title Game, since even if Oregon loses they's hold the H2H tiebreaker over Stanford and still get the Pac Ten automatic bid. But I don't think most voters will try to game the system unless both Oregon and Auburn lose - then things could get crazy.
 
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The only chaos worth mentioning goes like this IMO:

1. Orygun loses to the Beavers, pushing TCU into the title game with Auburn.

2. Wisconsin plays Orygun in the Rose Bowl.

3. Ohio State plays Arkansas in the Sugar.

Auburn puts a bitch-slap of historic proportions on TCU, then is forced to vacate all season victories after Newton is determined by NCAA to be ineligible. There is no BCS champion, since losers of games to punished teams are not awarded victories. Ohio State wins big and impressively, while Wisconsin and Orygun play a depressing, offense-challenged sludgefest (who cares who wins?). Ohio State becomes AP champion, which is the only recognizable championship for 2010-11.
 
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MaxBuck said:
The only chaos worth mentioning goes like this IMO:

1. Orygun loses to the Beavers, pushing TCU into the title game with Auburn.

2. Wisconsin plays Orygun in the Rose Bowl.

3. Ohio State plays Arkansas in the Sugar.

Auburn puts a bitch-slap of historic proportions on TCU, then is forced to vacate all season victories after Newton is determined by NCAA to be ineligible. There is no BCS champion, since losers of games to punished teams are not awarded victories. Ohio State wins big and impressively, while Wisconsin and Orygun play a depressing, offense-challenged sludgefest (who cares who wins?). Ohio State becomes AP champion, which is the only recognizable championship for 2010-11.
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That is nuts...even for this thread.

I think that any punishment against Auburn will happen after January...so if they get stripped of championships they aren't going to award them to anybody else. You'll just have no champion and no Heisman winner.

But let's roll wtih your theory here for fun...

Okay, say Oregon does lose to the Beavers by a good margin (unlikely). The AP rankings would likely look like this:

1. Auburn
2. TCU
3. Wisconsin
4. Stanford
5. Ohio State
6. Oregon
7. Michigan State
8. Arkansas

If Auburn wins by 30+ against TCU. Oregon barely squeeks by Wisconsin in an ugly game. Stanford loses to Oklahoma. And Ohio State wins big against Arkansas, then I would think the final AP poll would look like this.

1. Auburn
2. Ohio State
3. Oregon
4. Michigan State (beating Bama :) )
5. TCU
6. Oklahoma...

So I guess we could finish #2 in the AP poll, if all those things happened. The most important being Oregon looking unimpressive in a loss to Oregon State and and very unimpressive in a victory against Wisconsin, cuz if they look good at all in the Rose Bowl, they'd jump to #2. If Wisconsin wins the Rose Bowl they'd be #2, and we'd likley be #3, and Michigan State would likely be #4. Now that would be interesting if the final poll was...

1. Auburn
2. Wisconsin
3. Ohio State
4. Michigan State...

And Auburn gets everything stripped. Go Big Ten!
 
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I'd love to hear the talking heads on ESPiN try to spin it so that the B10 was somehow still a crappy, undeserving conference if we end up with 3 teams in the top 5 or 6. I have a sneaking suspicion that several of them would trot out a "well their schedule is about the same as or worse than Boise's and TCU's." I know May would.
 
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scarletmike;1825056; said:
I'd love to hear the talking heads on ESPiN try to spin it so that the B10 was somehow still a crappy, undeserving conference if we end up with 3 teams in the top 5 or 6. I have a sneaking suspicion that several of them would trot out a "well their schedule is about the same as or worse than Boise's and TCU's." I know May would.
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To be honest looking at teams in conferences and who is at the top, the Pac10 got way, way, way too much love this year. In comparing their conference up and down to the Big 10, the Big 10 has a convincingly harder conference. 2-3 of our down teams have winning records where only 4 teams in the Pac10 have winning records.

Big10
WISKY- 11-1
MSU- 11-1
OSU- 11-1
Iowa- 7-5
State Penn- 7-5
scUM- 7-5
NW- 7-5
Ill- 6-5
Ind- 5-7
Pur- 4-8
Minn- 3-9

Pac10
Oregon- 11-0
Stanford- 11-1
Arizona- 7-5
USC- 7-5
OrgST- 5-6
Wash- 5-6
ASU- 5-6
Cal- 5-6
UCLA- 4-7
WashST- 2-9

If Ill wins against Fresno St, that gives the Big 10 8 teams with 7-5 or better records, 3 teams in the BCS top 10. Those three 2 beat each other. the other lost to a 7-5 team at their place. But Stan winning big over Cal was impressive. Give me a break.
 
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NateG;1825343; said:
To be honest looking at teams in conferences and who is at the top, the Pac10 got way, way, way too much love this year. In comparing their conference up and down to the Big 10, the Big 10 has a convincingly harder conference. 2-3 of our down teams have winning records where only 4 teams in the Pac10 have winning records.

Big10
WISKY- 11-1
MSU- 11-1
OSU- 11-1
Iowa- 7-5
State Penn- 7-5
scUM- 7-5
NW- 7-5
Ill- 6-5
Ind- 5-7
Pur- 4-8
Minn- 3-9

Pac10
Oregon- 11-0
Stanford- 11-1
Arizona- 7-5
USC- 7-5
OrgST- 5-6
Wash- 5-6
ASU- 5-6
Cal- 5-6
UCLA- 4-7
WashST- 2-9

If Ill wins against Fresno St, that gives the Big 10 8 teams with 7-5 or better records, 3 teams in the BCS top 10. Those three 2 beat each other. the other lost to a 7-5 team at their place. But Stan winning big over Cal was impressive. Give me a break.
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Add to that Stanford winning over Ore St (5-6) vaults them from #8 to #5 in the coaches poll and now into the NC discussion if one of the top 2 lose? GMAFB!

Great Post. Greenies!
 
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