Little Big Horn

[Buckeye513]

It's refreshing to see that a totally random post about a battle 134 years ago can get a few of us arguing with each other.

What do you think about Moctezuma II bending over for Cortes?

I think he totally pussed out.

 

[Taosman]

Sure! Wait till someone starts a "Hiroshima, Was It Necessary to Bomb" thread! That'll send #%& over the edge! :tongue2:

 

[Mike80]

He thought greatly of himself and his destiny.

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

:p

 

[Mike80]

Sure! Wait till someone starts a "Hiroshima, Was It Necessary to Bomb" thread! That'll send #%& over the edge! :tongue2:

That totally depends on what is more important to you - bombing a singular city OR killing up to 10,000,000 more Japanese (not to mention perhaps 1,000,000 Americans and countless thousands of Russians from the north) attempting to take the home islands.

 

[Taosman]

 

[Mike80]

Yes, Taos, we know you fail on an epic scale. What does that have to do with the subject at hand?

 

[The KSB]

Gatling guns aside, he was offered and turned down the use of other Cavalry troops (maybe the 2nd Cavalry, but I forget) so that his 7th could get all of the "glory" from the victory. More troops and guns would have been useful. He supposedly told his Crow scouts that he was going to be the new Great White Father when he won the battle, and the Democratic Convention was going on at the time of the Battle and for four days afterward. It is possible that a glorious victory could have led to his being nominated - or if if not replacing Tilden, then as his VP. Even if Custer could not have won, that does not mean that Custer did not think he could win. He thought greatly of himself and his destiny.

Absolutely, Custer was on a mission for glory. It drove him to many stupid decisions. He sacrificed many tactical advantages for speed and audacity any number of which, including bringing along his automtic weapons, would have or could have changed the outcome of the battle.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

Sure! Wait till someone starts a "Hiroshima, Was It Necessary to Bomb" thread! That'll send #%& over the edge! :tongue2:

Anyone who doesn't think that nuking Hiroshima and Nagasaki saved at least a year's worth of bloodshed on the Japanese main islands and probably several million lives--both military and civilian--is a complete and utter moron.

 

[Taosman]

It's the use of the A-bomb that is the big question. Not the bombing per se, haole fren! The fire bombing campaign was a complete success.

 

[Mike80]

It's the use of the A-bomb that is the big question. Not the bombing per se, haole! The fire bombing campaign was a complete success.

You do realize, hippie (no, of course you don't, so much for "enlightenment"), that we'd bombed the shit out of the Japanese home islands for 2 full years, firebombing included, yet their military was NOT going to allow a surrender.

Why do you hate the Japanese so? Nuking them saved their entire culture. If we truly wanted to destroy Japan we would have nuked Tokyo.

 

[Taosman]

You need to do some more research as historians says otherwise.

"So it was time to change tactics again. This time they decided to give the bomber crews intensive training and napalm was picked as a substance to be used during the bombings. A test of this was an early bombing of Tokyo, and the results were about a square mile of the city being destroyed. LeMay decided to have the planes carry heavier bombs and fly at a lower altitude.
The testing of the new tactics began with the bombing of Tokyo on March 9. 334 B-29s took part flying far lower than ever before on a bomb run. Pathfinder planes dropped napalm bombs every 100 feet to make an "X" on the ground, a target for the rest of the planes to attack. The attack itself took over three hours.
The Japanese later listed over 83,000 dead in the attack; over 40,000 wounded and a total of 15.8 square miles of the city were burned to ashes with the destruction of 265,171 buildings. The intensity of the fire was so much that the water in the rivers reached the boiling point.
The bombing was continued and within ten days 32 square miles of Japanese cities basically ceased to exist. "
http://www.bookmice.net/darkchilde/japan/fire.html

 

[Taosman]

Absolutely, Custer was on a mission for glory. It drove him to many stupid decisions. He sacrificed many tactical advantages for speed and audacity any number of which, including bringing along his automtic weapons, would have or could have changed the outcome of the battle.

Sure. Let's just ignore the facts. The man was an arrogant idiot who was thinking of becoming President and lost any reasoning he might have had.
It's called delusions of grandeur. It's psychotic. Military leaders who screw up that badly and survive are removed in disgrace. As he would have been had he some how survived. Reno and Benteen performed admirably that day and the next.

 

[DaytonBuck]

Many were Irish immigrants, and the one man from Custer's command sent by Custer to get ammo from the pack train spoke (an Italian) such bad English that Custer had to write it out on paper instead of relying on his ability to communicate English. It was not the disciplined troops of movie and TV, and Custer wanted glory more than he wanted to follow orders.

Give it long enough and the Irish really will ruin anything

 

[JCOSU86]

"We are not going to attack part 9"

 

[Fungo Squiggly]

George Armstrong Custer, the pride of New Rumley, Ohio.