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Lebron James (Los Angeles Lakers)

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Bucky32;2343610; said:
Darryl Dawkins
Kevin Garnett
Kobe Bryant
Tracy McGrady
Amar'e Stoudemire
Dwight Howard
Monta Ellis

Are all these guys quitters too?
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Tracy McGrady, Stoudemire and Howard have all been accused of not exactly pushing themselves when things weren't going their way however....
 
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Mac;2343729; said:
You put what in your mouth?
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Let me clarify: I did not put into my mouth what Mark May put into his.


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ImFrigginFly;2343267; said:
Has anyone considered that Lebron's "legacy" may be completely shattered if he moves teams AGAIN in the next 5 years? To me, his legacy was toast when he joined forces with Diane and Boshtrich, but if he moves again, everyone else may see it. Jordan, Magic, Russell, Bird, Kobe etc. etc. were all able to do it with one team. Even some of the greatest legends that did go to a different team limited to only two teams in their career until their last couple years. If Lebron opts out next year, he'll have been with 3 teams in this first 11(?) years in the league, with 1-3 titles to show because he joined two other all-stars. Chump. At this point in Lebron's career, Jordan was "retired" after winning his first 3 peat.
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"Jordan, Magic, Russell, Bird, Kobe etc. etc. were all able to do it with one team." The folks you cited all played for teams that had the money and the "wanna" to surround them with talent - i.e. how many rings does Jordan win without Pippen and Rodman?

Without knowing what the books look like, Cleveland either couldn't put enough talent around LeBron or had the Lackawanna to do it. I don't see how you can blame someone for wanting to play on a championship team. And, yeah, Griffey Jr. shoulda gone to the Yankees.
 
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cincibuck;2343761; said:
"Jordan, Magic, Russell, Bird, Kobe etc. etc. were all able to do it with one team." The folks you cited all played for teams that had the money and the "wanna" to surround them with talent - i.e. how many rings does Jordan win without Pippen and Rodman?

Without knowing what the books look like, Cleveland either couldn't put enough talent around LeBron or had the Lackawanna to do it. I don't see how you can blame someone for wanting to play on a championship team. And, yeah, Griffey Jr. shoulda gone to the Yankees.
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How do you expect Cleveland to do anything when LeBron has their hands tied?

You really think Gilbert doesn't have the money or the "wanna"? Seriously?

You don't think LeBron was involved on who they were bringing in and who they were passing on in FA?

Gimmie a break.
 
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Bleed S & G;2343775; said:
How do you expect Cleveland to do anything when LeBron has their hands tied?

You really think Gilbert doesn't have the money or the "wanna"? Seriously?

You don't think LeBron was involved on who they were bringing in and who they were passing on in FA?

Gimmie a break.
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Cleveland would have been able to sign key FA's if Lebron had come out and said that he wasn't going anywhere. Why would any top of the line FA commit to 5 years in Cleveland if they weren't sure Lebron would be here?

Hindsight is 20/20, but the Cavs royally screwed up every draft of the Lebron era so they never added any real talent around him the easy way. Ferry was better than Paxon (Jiri Welsch WTF), but Grant drafts circles around Ferry. Noted Grant has had much better picks to work with. If the Cavs had drafted Jameer Nelson (I was actually calling for this one back then), Danny Granger, fuck 2006 unless they could have traded up a few picks for Rondo, Carl Landry, and trade up a couple picks for Hibbert in 2008 (that's who I really wanted in that draft as well) they probably would have won a title for Lebron. Cleveland isn't a destination city that can make player acquisition mistakes and the Lebron era was filled with them other than the Gooden and AV trade. Boo$er, Welsch, Hughes, Damon Jones, Shannon Brown, Hickson, Eyenga, etc. :bonk:
 
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cincibuck said:
"Jordan, Magic, Russell, Bird, Kobe etc. etc. were all able to do it with one team." The folks you cited all played for teams that had the money and the "wanna" to surround them with talent - i.e. how many rings does Jordan win without Pippen and Rodman?

Without knowing what the books look like, Cleveland either couldn't put enough talent around LeBron or had the Lackawanna to do it. I don't see how you can blame someone for wanting to play on a championship team. And, yeah, Griffey Jr. shoulda gone to the Yankees.
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Rodman? He wins 6 with or without Rodman.
 
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