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LB Ryan Shazier (All B1G, All-American, 2017 Pro Bowl)

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SEREbuckeye said:
I think the parallels that are being drawn between the Burfict hit is this:

Burfict hits a receiver with his shoulder to his head = penalty called, resulting in a game changing play

Shazier hits receiver with his head to the opponents head = no penalty called, resulting in a game changing play

I'm merely a casual Bengals fan, not someone emotionally invested into the team. I just love the game of football and hate that the spirit of the rules were lost in that game. It was unnecessary roughness by the letter of the law, and should have been called out of safety alone. Hell, you saw what happened with the emotions after it wasn't called - chaos.

I think both calls needed to be made, especially to retain control of the game.
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With you there, the refs did a pretty bad job of controlling the game.

That game reminded me of why I just don't get into the NFL anymore, namely the large percentage of sociopaths that play in the league.

Also agree with whoever stated the Steelers are done. They may shoot Ben up with enough horse tranquilizers to numb his shoulder but Brown was knocked completely unconscious, no way he's back in a week. Brown being out puts the unfortunate exclamation point on what Burfict did being worse than Shaziers hit.

Burfict was nothing but intent to injure, he could have pulled up. Shazier could not.
 
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I think Shazer's hit could have been flagged but he was in the process of tackling a ball carrier and was a bang-bang play. The Cinci guy (Burfict) looked to me that he could have eased up on the play as it was obvious the receiver didn't catch the ball. He deliberately lowered his shoulder and took a cheap shot....
I wanted the Bengals to as I am a fan but there is no way that guy would be on my team......as he is a selfish, selfish player and not looking out for the good of the team.
 
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buckeyesin07 said:
Speaking of dirty intentional low blows, didn't Burfict get fined earlier in the season for diving at Roethlisberger's lower legs? That game last night, and the other two between those teams during the regular season, was a charged atmosphere, no doubt. But the notion that the Steelers are as "dirty as the come" and the Bengals are a bunch of choir boys is the most blind homer view I've read in some time.
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I'm a bronco fan. We can discuss decastro giving out concussions with flagged hits three weeks ago. But since you can't name a Bengal incident prior to Burfict in Cincy I'll rest my case.
 
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jwinslow said:
I've seen it countless times. The difference is that we've been trained to believe that tacklers are never victims, even if their necks are being ripped off with "stiff arms" (aka illegal hands to the face). I've seen lots of ball carriers drop their head and detonate the waiting and largely stationary linebacker, crushing him right under the chin. It's how the game of football is played. Meanwhile if the linebacker hits the ball carrier like that when he's pausing in the hole, he risks a penalty.
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That's why you shouldn't sit on your heels in football, you are asking to be bulldozed .

Football isn't hard to play clean, it's a simple game. Head up, eyes up, flex at the hips, run like hell to the ball, lowest man wins. It's NOT head down, eyes to the grown, put your helmet into the oppositions facemask.
 
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Some misguided opinions in here....specifically the several times I read "I can see how the Shazier hit COULD have been flagged." Seriously. You can kinda maybe see how a flag might have been warranted probably maybe perhaps? It's 100% against the rules to tackle like that. Don't let the dipshits calling the game fool you into thinking that being a defenseless player has anything to do with it. You can't lead with the crown of your helmet like that. The fact that he hit the guy in the jaw makes it even more inexplicable that no flag was thrown. I love me some Ryan Damn Shazier, but that was illegal and dirty. No wishy washy could have been called, could have been ignored....that absolutely positively should have been called.
 
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SEREbuckeye said:
That's why you shouldn't sit on your heels in football, you are asking to be bulldozed .

Football isn't hard to play clean, it's a simple game. Head up, eyes up, flex at the hips, run like hell to the ball, lowest man wins. It's NOT head down, eyes to the grown, put your helmet into the oppositions facemask.
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Ball carriers do your NOT part quite a bit, hence the severe hypocrisy about player safety and personal fouls for ball carriers. Just like the double standard about facemask penalties .
 
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Not that it's relevant to whether or not the Shazier tackle was legal, but, ball carriers can be called for leading with their helmets as well. It was a rule put in place a couple years ago; sort of known as the Trent Richardson rule based on his single, slightly entertaining highlight as a Cleveland Brown, a brutal hit on Kurt Coleman. Not that it ever gets called but this only reinforces the fact that the rules are enforced VERY inconsistently

 
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To hell with the hit. Piss on that - its' football.

You guys are glossing over the fact....

SHAZIER WAS A BEAST on Saturday. There were players on the field, then there was one grown assed man wearing #50 for Pittsburgh.

Pittsburgh doesn't win that game without him. He forced two fumbles all by himself and was all over the damn field so much, I thought they had guys wearing the same number.
 
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SEREbuckeye said:
Burfict hit with his sholder, it was bad. That said, the Shazier hit was much more dangerous - both for Shazier and Gio. Shazier was purposely gunning the opponent with his head. No different than the hit Bosa was ejected for against ND.
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Huge difference. Bosa's hit was square in the QB's chest...the only reason he got tossed was because he was stupid enough to lower his head and lead crown first. Shazier blasted the WR in the helmet...

EDIT: A pic of Shazier's hit is already in this thread. Here's a pic of Bosa's hit. No comparison:

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MililaniBuckeye said:
Huge difference. Bosa's hit was square in the QB's chest...the only reason he got tossed was because he was stupid enough to lower his head and lead crown first. Shazier blasted the WR in the helmet...

EDIT: A pic of Shazier's hit is already in this thread. Here's a pic of Bosa's hit. No comparison:

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Over reaction much? Lol.

Both lowered their heads
Both failed to pull up their facemask
Same form.
One hit the others cheat, the other hit the others players head.
 
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SEREbuckeye said:
Over reaction much? Lol.

Both lowered their heads
Both failed to pull up their facemask
Same form.
One hit the others cheat, the other hit the others players head.
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No overreaction at all. There is indeed a huge difference between detonating a forward-moving player in the head with the crown of your helmet (and subsequently knocking him out) and hitting a retreating QB in the chest with the crown of your helmet (the QB got right back up). Keep thinking they're the same, though...
 
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