Lane Kiffin (HC Ole/Young Miss & Twitter Troll King)

[BuckeyeNation27]

I know I'm late to this party....and jwins has it pretty much in hand...and I'm taking only one of your examples, but...

What would it take for you to believe one of these numerous tales?

That so many of them were not so demonstrably false.

You said there was a picture of Snead & Tebow throwing footballs......and that somehow to you completely refutes the claim that Snead was told Tebow would be a LB in college?

You seem to be more willing to accept sketchy "proof" when it's backing up your boy...and more willing to flat out ignore more solid "proof" when it discredits him. not that this is anything too shocking....I'm basically saying you're biased to your favorite football teams head coach. Stay tuned to my next post where I decide if water is, in fact, wet.

 

[BuckeyeNation27]

It is.

edit: Also, I just saw on the scroll in between A-Roid updates that Tenn has "self reported" (as if they weren't all over the internet already) 2 violations that Kiffin has already committed. One was for using a smoke machine, and one was for holding a mock press conference.

 

[Gatorubet]

You said there was a picture of Snead & Tebow throwing footballs......and that somehow to you completely refutes the claim that Snead was told Tebow would be a LB in college?

No. I said that Snead and Tebow went to prep all star camps together including the "Friday Night Lights" Camp, and that I had posted a picture of both he and Snead throwing next to each other. Snead was at UF and saw UF drooling over Tebow as a QB, Tebow was not with the linebackers (see photo in some damn prior thread). Since Snead and Tebow were highly ranked recruits you would assume that he had heard of Tim, and that he - Snead - was aware that Tim was Florida Mr. Football as a QB, and that Tim set the state all time passing record.

If Meyer was going to tell a lie, he might say that Tim was being recruited as a fullback. That at least would make sense. If he was going to lie he might say, "Tebow is overrated, and you will beat him out within weeks and we will move him to linebacker." While that is also stupid: why would we want to [censored] off the future of the Meyer spread offense, the "Chosen One" - the prototypical spread QB that Meyer was dying to get and was fighting with Shula for down to the last minute, only to dog cuss Tebow to Snead, a lower ranked QB than Tim? There is almost no "up" side for such a statement, unless Meyer thought Snead was mildly retarded and wanted to risk losing Tim.

And why would Snead sign with Texas if he thought Tebow was being really being sought as a linebacker?
It is not a "picture" that refutes this, but I mentioned the picture to show that Snead had actual, personal knowledge that Tim was on the UF wish list as a QB. EVERY Gator blog and board was transfixed with the first Tebowner cases...so ...yeah....it would make sense to dog Tim and hope that Snead would listen to Meyer and ignore his lying eyes.

You seem to be more willing to accept sketchy "proof" when it's backing up your boy...and more willing to flat out ignore more solid "proof" when it discredits him. not that this is anything too shocking....

Feel free to believe a story that only the truly gullible would believe. It is your perfect right to think Snead's word "solid proof" and ignore the fact that pointing out that it is ludicrous for anyone to think that Tim - perhaps the most publicly sought after QB in the last several decades of Florida football - was only being recruited as a linebacker, and that this reality is "sketchy".

I respectfully disagree with your assessment.

I'm basically saying you're biased to your favorite football teams head coach.

You should basically go back and read my post where I agreed that I am biased...

Stay tuned to my next post where I decide if water is, in fact, wet.

The Robot Chicken writers are weeping.

 

[DaytonBuck]

The Robot Chicken writers are weeping.

Hold up, you know what Robot Chicken is?

 

[BuckeyeNation27]

No. I said that Snead and Tebow went to prep all star camps together including the "Friday Night Lights" Camp, and that I had posted a picture of both he and Snead throwing next to each other. Snead was at UF and saw UF drooling over Tebow as a QB, Tebow was not with the linebackers (see photo in some damn prior thread). Since Snead and Tebow were highly ranked recruits you would assume that he had heard of Tim, and that he - Snead - was aware that Tim was Florida Mr. Football as a QB, and that Tim set the state all time passing record.

If Meyer was going to tell a lie, he might say that Tim was being recruited as a fullback. That at least would make sense. If he was going to lie he might say, "Tebow is overrated, and you will beat him out within weeks and we will move him to linebacker."
While that is also stupid: why would we want to [censored] off the future of the Meyer spread offense, the "Chosen One" - the prototypical spread QB that Meyer was dying to get and was fighting with Shula for down to the last minute, only to dog cuss Tebow to Snead, a lower ranked QB than Tim.

Thanks for expanding....but none of this disproves the claim that Meyer told Snead that Tebow would end up at LB.

And why would Snead sign with Texas if he thought Tebow was being really being sought as a linebacker?

Maybe he didn't buy the line. Still not proof.

It is not a "picture" that refutes this, but I mentioned the picture to show that Snead had actual personal knowledge that Tim was on the UF wish list as a QB. EVERY Gator blog and board was transfixed with the first Tebowner cases...so ...yeah....it would make sense to dog Tim and hope that Snead would listen to Meyer and ignore his lying eyes.

just because he didn't buy it, doesn't mean it wasn't said.

I, for the record, don't care enough to form an opinion one way or the other. I vaguely remember the story of Meyer telling somebody that Tebow would be a LB. I had long forgotten it until this thread.

1) Feel free to believe a story that only the truly gullible would believe. It is your perfect right to think Snead's word "solid proof" and ignore the fact that Tim was perhaps the most publicly sought after QB in the last several decades of Florida football as "sketchy".

I respectfully disagree with your assessment.

That wasn't really my assessment.....but that's not your fault for not being able to read my mind. I used the picture thing as one bit of evidence.....but when talking about sketchy vs solid evidence, I was talking about other things jwins brought up like the direct quote from the Michigan recruit. If you're not going to connect my dots for me, then why do I even bother putting them out there? :p

You should basically go back and read my prior post where I agreed that I am biased...but then, you'd have to agree with me.

No, I read that. Again, it's my fault for not conveying what I actually meant by that. I guess I'm not as self-deprecating as I thought.

I also never got into RC, so I'm not exactly sure if you're saying I ripped of one of their skits or what.

 

[Gatorubet]

27, I agree that I can never know what was said. I can only guess. I think Urban is a real smart guy. I think he would come up with a "Shula has Tim convinced to go to Bama" lie - a "better" lie - instead of telling him that Tim was being recruited as a linebacker. It would be like a Producer telling me that Jessica Alba was being cast for her acting chops in the new "Thong Fever" movie. I mean, she is an actress, but.....

 

[Jaxbuck]

So Kiffin now has had a messy public dispute with another coach and broken his recruiting violation cherry before his first spring practice.

Nice.

 

[BB73]

A piece trashing Kiffin by Greg-guh Doyle. But he does have 1 good line.

www.cbssports.com

Kiffin is so anti-Urban, he should answer to "Rural."

 

[buckiprof]

I have no problem with negative recruiting if it is true. Saying "FSU is about to get sanctioned by the NCAA - can you risk it for your career if they get hit worse and because of sanctions suck for four more years?" is a fair question. Saying that you know that they will not be in televised bowls for four years when it is a lie is sleazy.

Negative recruiting is negative recruiting, whether it is true or not. Personally, I find negative recruiting to be somewhat unethical, as one should be recruiting student-athletes to one's institution based upon the virtues of one's institution.

But who cares whether or not buckiprof finds negative recruiting to be ethical, let's see what the SEC Code of Ethics has to say about it:

10.2.3 Coaches and other university personnel shall advocate the positive advantages and attributes of their university and its
intercollegiate athletics program and shall avoid making any derogatory statements concerning another member institution's
athletics program, facilities or educational opportunities.

Well I guess my opinions of recruiting are somewhat aligned with the SEC's Code of Ethics: Basically state the positive advantages and attributes of your university and avoid making any derogatory statements about others'.

To me, any covers "true or not true". Very black and white...no gray.

 

[Gatorubet]

Negative recruiting is negative recruiting, whether it is true or not. Personally, I find negative recruiting to be somewhat unethical, as one should be recruiting student-athletes to one's institution based upon the virtues of one's institution.

But who cares whether or not buckiprof finds negative recruiting to be ethical, let's see what the SEC Code of Ethics has to say about it:



Well I guess my opinions of recruiting are somewhat aligned with the SEC's Code of Ethics: Basically state the positive advantages and attributes of your university and avoid making any derogatory statements about others'.

To me, any covers "true or not true". Very black and white...no gray.

Prof, while you make a good point, to say to a recruit that "the Gators have their entire two deep defense back....you can start with us" is a "derogatory statement concerning another member institution's athletics program" under a black white lens.

If Tress was the one pointing out that PT opportunity at tOSU (OK, unlikely because of your depth, but this is a hypothetical) due to some combination of graduation, transfer and injury, it would be a true statement.

Tress pointing that out would also be a violation under your strict rule ( Yes I am aware that you are not in the SEC), and he would only be allowed to say tOSU presented an opportunity for recruit X to start, and could not mention that the Gators did not present that opportunity if it is "derogatory" to point out that Gator PT disadvantage.

Anyone who would criticize Tress for merely pointing out what is an obvious depth issue as a way to help the recruit make an informed decision would be misguided in my book (and I am not saying that you adopt that position) . Tress would be helping sell his own program, but pointing out truthful and obvious realities of another program could always be seen as "derogatory" - at least by that other program. I mean, what is "derogatory?"

All due respect, I think that you view this too narrowly, and that it is an unworkable standard in the real world. In fact it works as a detrmiment to the recruit trying to get a full picture of his options from multiple sources with differing viewpoints. They can't have meant that narrow of an interpretation.

 

[DaytonBuck]

Rural Kiffin is something I can get behind

 

[Gatorubet]

Rural Kiffin behind is something I can get

FI

 

[Roger Goodell]

NTTAWWT

 

[JCOSU86]

Prof, while you make a good point, to say to a recruit that "the Gators have their entire two deep defense back....you can start with us" is a "derogatory statement concerning another member institution's athletics program" under a black white lens.

If Tress was the one pointing out that PT opportunity at tOSU (OK, unlikely because of your depth, but this is a hypothetical) due to some combination of graduation, transfer and injury, it would be a true statement.

Tress pointing that out would also be a violation under your strict rule ( Yes I am aware that you are not in the SEC), and he would only be allowed to say tOSU presented an opportunity for recruit X to start, and could not mention that the Gators did not present that opportunity if it is "derogatory" to point out that Gator PT disadvantage.

Anyone who would criticize Tress for merely pointing out what is an obvious depth issue as a way to help the recruit make an informed decision would be misguided in my book (and I am not saying that you adopt that position) . Tress would be helping sell his own program, but pointing out truthful and obvious realities of another program could always be seen as "derogatory" - at least by that other program. I mean, what is "derogatory?"

All due respect, I think that you view this too narrowly, and that it is an unworkable standard in the real world. In fact it works as a detrmiment to the recruit trying to get a full picture of his options from multiple sources with differing viewpoints. They can't have meant that narrow of an interpretation.

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