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L.A. Blues ... or some post-game thoughts

LordJeffBuck

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The outcome of this game didn't really surprise me. Oh, I thought that the Buckeyes would probably score a few more points and make the game sorta respectable and all, but I pretty much figured that Southern Cal would show why they were the number one team in the country ... and Ohio State would show that they were overrated, especially by Buckeye fans. So, what went wrong last night ... and what IS wrong with this team?

1. Team Speed? If you listen to the know-nothing national pundits, last night's beat down was all about the slow, fat Buckeyes falling prey to another team with blazing speed. Well, I call bullshit on that. Oh sure, USC has excellent team speed, but Joe McKnight looks pretty damned fast when he's running free in your secondary, and the Trojans' front seven look pretty damned fast when they're running free in your backfield. Folks, I'm going to pull out the oldest cliche' in football, but it still holds true - You win games in the trenches. Like Florida in 2006 and LSU in 2007, USC beat the snot out of the Buckeyes in the trenches.

To be fair, the offensive line wasn't so bad ... at least until the Trojans dialed up the blitz on every play during the second half. Once again, however, penalties were the bane of this group - three false starts and and a huge holding call cost Ohio State field position in the red zone and at least one touchdown. Ohio State's tailbacks averaged 4.2 yards per carry - which isn't bad against a top-notch defense - and most of the five sacks could be blamed on bad/slow decisions by the Buckeye quarterback.

The defensive line was the real weakness of the team last night (and for the last 2+ seasons). At times, the DL seemed invisible, and in fact they combined for just 4.5 tackles ... and that was against a USC offensive line that was supposed to be young and inexperienced and the Trojans' Achilles heel[sup]1[/sup]. The Buckeyes' front four put no pressure on Mark Sanchez, and the lone "sack" came in the fourth quarter on a play in which the Trojans had absolutely no intention of throwing the football.

The linebackers had decent games statistically, combining for 23 tackles and the aforementioned "sack", and JL made a few noteworthy plays, but it's really difficult for linebackers to operate when they've got offensive linemen in their faces all game long ... and that gets back to the defensive line not doing their jobs. Opposing teams simply aren't concerned about the Buckeyes' defensive tackles, and thus they are able to send a guard straight at Laurinaitis on every run without fear that a DT will beat his man one-on-one and blow up the play.

So, once again, it was the play in the trenches that cost the Buckeyes - speed had little or nothing to do with it.

2. Notes on Some Individual Players.

a. Malcolm Jenkins. Played hard from the first snap to the last; led the team with 10 tackles, with many solid sticks in the open field; lived up to the hype, more or less.

b. Lawrence Wilson. Is anyone still saying that this kid will be even better than Vernon Gholston?

c. Ross Homan. Is anyone still saying that he is the next A.J. Hawk?

d. Beanie Wells. Would definitely have made a diffience ... the Buckeyes probably add at least one field goal, maybe two, if he had played last night.

e. Anderson Russell. Before the 2006 Michigan game, we heard that Anderson had a very difficult time with play action fakes. USC exploited that perfectly on the TD pass to Blake Ayles.

f. Todd Boeckman. After the Penn State game last year, do you remember that some people were actually touting Todd Boeckman for the Heisman Trophy? Todd definitely has skills, but I have honestly never seen a player whose game falls apart so quickly at the first sign of adversity. Todd looked very good during the first quarter, and he threw a beautiful pass to Robo for a "touchdown" in the second quarter ... but after that play was called back due to holding, Boeckman more or less fell apart. On the very next series, with Ohio State still very much in the game down only 14-3 and moving the ball quite well on a pair of 11-yard runs by Pryor and Herron, Boeckman threw a picture perfect strike to Rey Maualuga for a pick six. Not only did that play seal defeat for the Buckeyes, it also likely earned Maualuga the Award formerly known as Butkus. In the second half, here is a complete list of Boeckman's pass plays, in order: sack; incompletion; intentional grounding; sack; interception. And then Terrelle Pryor finished out the game....

3. The Future Is Now. Let's face it - this season is over. Yeah, the Buckeyes can still win their umpteenth Big Ten title, and they can still roll an utterly inept Michigan squad for an unprecedented fifth time in a row, but as far as national championships and public perception, this team is done.

Sixth-year senior Todd Boeckman is not the answer. Period. I'm sure that Todd is a great guy and all, but he had two chances to lead this team to a national championship, and he didn't get the job done. No shame in that - he joins Cornelius Greene, Art Schlichter, Bobby Hoying, Joe Germaine, and Troy Smith as Buckeye quarterbacks who didn't quite make it to the top.

True freshman Terrelle Pryor still has two chances to lead this team to a national championship. It's obvious by now that Pryor brings a different dimension to this team, a dimension that has been missing since the 2005 season - a quarterback who is a true dual-threat. Pryor was arguably the best player on the Buckeyes' offense last night, and he'll only get better with more playing time ... so just play him. Start him. Now. And for the rest of the season. Sure, I have 47.8 billion in vCash riding on that result, but I can objectively state that Pryor gives the Buckeyes the best chance to win beginning next week. And even if he doesn't, so what? Let's get the kid ready for 2009 and 2010, when the Buckeyes will once again have legitimate shots at a national title.

And the same argument goes for other positions as well. Let's get the Block O in there and see what they can do, and Posey and Thomas and Sabino and Williams and some of the other kids. The future is now!

4. Recruiting. Bill Conley likes to take the credit for the outstanding recruiting class of 2002 that helped the Buckeyes win the national championship that year and made another serious title run in 2006. But let's not forget that Coach Bill Conley Recruiting Expert was primarily responsible for the recruiting classes of 2003 and 2004, classes that in retrospect produced a few true stars (Whitner, Gonzalez, Youboty, Barton in 2003; Ginn, Gholston, Pittman, Freeman in 2004), and way too many busts. I have heard it said that Conley made an early offer to running back Maurice Wells (class of 2005), and that this move pleased Jim Tressel so much that Conley "retired" shortly thereafter. And let's not forget that it was JT who opened the Glenville pipeline - before Tressel arrived on the scene, Conley couldn't convince Coach Ginn to send Pierre Woods (class of 2001) to Columbus ... so let's give JT the sole credit for Troy Smith (class of 2002), Donte Whitner (class of 2003), and Teddy Ginn (class of 2004).

Since Conley left, recruiting has definitely improved ... at the very least, more kids are actually sticking with the program and providing some production on the field. The class of 2008 has the potential to be the best ever, and the class of 2009 is not far behind, so there will be many great days ahead for Buckeye fans. So, JT has been an excellent recruiter, right? Well, not so fast, my friend. While Tressel has been excellent in recruiting "speed" players, he has failed to bring in enough help along the lines. I know that Coach Bollman likes to work with small groups that fit his system, but maybe it's time to stop being so picky and to start getting some more big bodies on campus. And while we're at it, how about a defensive tackle or three who can collapse the pocket once in a while?

5. What If? Speaking of recruiting, what if Ohio State had been able to sign either Xavier Lee or Robert Reid, who were the top dual-threat quarterbacks in the class of 2004? Each would be a fifth-year senior right now, and would have provided a seamless transition from Troy Smith to Terrelle Pryor. As it was, Tressel had to scrap Ohio State's most dynamic offense ever after the 2006 season to structure the scheme to Todd Boeckman's strengths. And while the drop back passing, I-back running game has obviously been somewhat successful, it is clear that JT is much more comfortable running a multi-faceted offense centered around a dual-threat quarterback. Fortunately all of the pieces are in place for next season ... and don't expect Ohio State to recruit a "pro style" quarterback any time soon.

6. Fans ... and why we do what we do. Last night, the mods and admins banned several posters, mostly for bashing the Buckeyes. Some people may have issues with our strict "no bashing" policy, and we certainly understand your concerns. But if you want to know why we do what we do here at BP, just visit some other Buckeye boards and see what the so-called "fans" over there have to say about "their" team. Hey, we were all angry and frustrated last night, but that's simply no excuse to launch vicious attacks at the players and coaches ... as if they owe you something. If anything was "embarrassing" last night, it was the conduct of some Buckeye fans.

I'd like to thank all Trojan fans who were gracious in victory, and all Buckeye fans who were civil in defeat - you are all welcome here.

And I'd like to give a special thanks to all of the visiting fans who were supporting the Buckeyes last night. I realize that some of you (Florida and LSU fans) had a vested interest in seeing the Trojans go down to defeat, but I'd also like to think that you were supporting "us" because you have had a enjoyable experience at BuckeyePlanet. You were truly credits to your teams (and your conference :biggrin: ) last night.

[sup]1[/sup] Achilles was Greek - these Trojans have no vulnerabilities.
 
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LordJeffBuck;1260186; said:
I can objectively state that Pryor gives the Buckeyes the best chance to win beginning next week. And even if he doesn't, so what? Let's get the kid ready for 2009 and 2010, when the Buckeyes will once again have legitimate shots at a national title..

Uh, sure, if he gives us the best chance to win. But if he doesn't? Yeah, who cares about the Seniors who want to go to the Rose Bowl. Damn their interests - if Pryor gets experience while leading us to the Alamo bowl, they should just be happy with that.
 
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Awesome post. I think everything in that post is spot on. It contained all the points that have been going through my head all night. Along with Pryor being handed the reigns, I'd like to see the offense shift to TP's offense. Scrap the O installed for TB and start getting good at what will be our O for the next two years under TP. We need an identity on the offense. Right now there is none.
 
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tibor75;1260262; said:
Uh, sure, if he gives us the best chance to win. But if he doesn't? Yeah, who cares about the Seniors who want to go to the Rose Bowl. Damn their interests - if Pryor gets experience while leading us to the Alamo bowl, they should just be happy with that.


You must have missed the "game" last night, I think its fairly obvious that he gives the team the best chance to win...
 
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tibor75;1260262; said:
Uh, sure, if he gives us the best chance to win. But if he doesn't? Yeah, who cares about the Seniors who want to go to the Rose Bowl. Damn their interests - if Pryor gets experience while leading us to the Alamo bowl, they should just be happy with that.
Would it suck for the seniors if the Bucks went 9-4 this year while "re-loading" on the fly? Yeah, maybe, but it seems to me that the seniors have already had their chances over the past two seasons ... and now it's time for the next generation to have their opportunity to shine. If the target for 2008 were still the national championship, then I'd agree with your short-sighted view ... but what's a Rose Bowl appearance really going to mean to kids who have been in the BCS title game the past two seasons? And they'll still have a chance to beat Michigan to earn their fourth or fifth pair of gold pants ... and at the end of the day, beating Michigan is really what Ohio State football is all about.
 
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Great post LJB.

I agree 1000% on your point about our offensive and defensive line. We are in DIRE need of a couple of disruptive DT's. That, in my opinion, is the major reason our defense is lacking this season. It is no coincidence that the 2002 squad had a great pair of DT's. Our LB's are getting caught up in traffic way too much, that is a attributed to weak play up front IMHO. Our offensive line is getting embarassed by quicker LB's and ends. I can think of one particular player who I feel had seen his draft stock drop considerably........

I also have started to wonder if it's time to evaluate our defensive coordinator position. I feel like we have become much to passive from a defensive standpoint, maybe Heacock's best days have passed him by........

What concerns me the most is that this team seems to be going through the motions. They are not showing any fire, or passion. For all the hype of the seniors returning, I have seen no leadership. All is not lost this season, they have the chance to be an excellent squad. It starts with a QB switch, and an overall attitude adjustment.
 
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LordJeffBuck;1260278; said:
Would it suck for the seniors if the Bucks went 9-4 this year while "re-loading" on the fly? Yeah, maybe, but it seems to me that the seniors have already had their chances over the past two seasons ... and now it's time for the next generation to have their opportunity to shine. If the target for 2008 were still the national championship, then I'd agree with your short-sighted view ... but what's a Rose Bowl appearance really going to mean to kids who have been in the BCS title game the past two seasons? And they'll still have a chance to beat Michigan to earn their fourth or fifth pair of gold pants ... and at the end of the day, beating Michigan is really what Ohio State football is all about.

Yeah, I've been pondering this as well. These seniors came back for a shot at the whole enchilada. Now that the chance is gone, I think it's time to rebuild. This team is just not playing well right now. It's time for the coaches to do some soul-searching and figure out how to right the ship. I feel for the seniors...but as you said, they had their chance and let it fly by them. Now they need to think about the future of Ohio State football and how they can help this team and these young guys get over the hump.
 
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LJB, I think that you know that I agree with about 95% of what you said in your post but there are two areas which I am somewhat baffled by. While I am not a fan of Bill Conley, I think when he recruited Maurice Wells, almost everyone considered him to be the top running back in the state of Florida so I am a little confused with that statement. Also, he would have had to get an OK from JT before he made the offer unless I am somewhat confused by how the coaches interact when they decide who gets an offer and who doesn't.

Also, over the past couple years, I have made a couple post in the Recruiting Forum that I would like for Ohio State to go after some rather large run stuffing DT's but those posts never were really answered and we continued to recruit the "smaller faster" DT's rather than some guys who would be able to give the inside a little push so that our speed guys would be able to help from the outside. I have noticed that we have recruited some bigger guys for those spots for next year but I really don't see anyone that is currently on the roster who is capable of filling that bill. Also, since we have never recruited the guys that give the push up the middle doesn't that say something about our defensive philosophy?

However, saying the above, I still don't understand how we can come back with 20 seniors from last year with the same QB and have the same results in a national game. It's not like our DT's got any smaller or we change their defensive philosophy from last year.
 
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LordJeffBuck;1260186; said:
Pryor was arguably the best player on the Buckeyes' offense last night, and he'll only get better with more playing time ... so just play him. Start him. Now. And for the rest of the season.
This is about the only part of LJB's exceptional post with which I take exception.

My concern about starting and playing Pryor as the first string QB is that he will be forced to play behind our first-string offensive line. And that bunch, ladies and gentlemen, have made it clear that they will put our QB at great risk against any but the weakest defenses.

My concern is in criticallly damaging young Terrelle's confidence before he even gets a chance to learn the ropes.
 
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