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Kobe Scoring Thread (MERGED)

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Should Kobe have gone for more pts?

  • I would have played him the whole game and gone for Wilts 100

    Votes: 12 24.0%

  • I would have done what Phil did

    Votes: 6 12.0%

  • Who cares

    Votes: 32 64.0%
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buckeyefool said:
and who said that the opp. scored so few because of good defense. Maybe it was bad offense.
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I would say "maybe", but I watched three of the games (damn best friend is a Pistons' fan). So I won't. It was good defense. Teams couldn't do anything on the perimeter because of Billups, Hamilton, and Prince. And they couldn't do anything on the inside because of the real Big Ben.

Come to think of it. Next time the Pistons are on tv, you should watch. Absolutely amazing team defense.
 
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BuckeyeNation27 said:
Another reason why I'm not overly impressed. The NBA isn't exactly a defensive league anymore.
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Considering that the "Bad Boy" Pistons made their name by holding other teams under 100 points for more games than anyone else, and now the freaking league average is around 100 points, I'll have to disagree with you. The league has now become so physical that people can't score like this anymore. What Kobe did, regardless of whether people like him or not, was a very impressive feat.
 
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The pistons are the epitome of team basketball, effort, and defense. Proving that the NBA still possesses those characteristics requires showing that more than a handful of those teams even strive to have those qualities.

Kobe's achievement was flat out impressive. But using the pistons as the evidence in all of these arguments is a little faulty, IMO.
 
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jwinslow said:
The pistons are the epitome of team basketball, effort, and defense. Proving that the NBA still possesses those characteristics requires showing that more than a handful of those teams even strive to have those qualities.

Kobe's achievement was flat out impressive. But using the pistons as the evidence in all of these arguments is a little faulty, IMO.
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OK, how about this. There are only six teams in the NBA that average over 100 points/game, compared to the entire league back in the 80's. There are six more that average 99 or better. The freaking Trailblazers only average 7 points more than Kobe scored by himself.

The league is not worse in defense than it was back then. If anything they are too liberal in their allowed contact before a foul is called. Stifling offenses to the point of less than mediocrity.
 
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jwinslow said:
The pistons are the epitome of team basketball, effort, and defense. Proving that the NBA still possesses those characteristics requires showing that more than a handful of those teams even strive to have those qualities.

Kobe's achievement was flat out impressive. But using the pistons as the evidence in all of these arguments is a little faulty, IMO.
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Not faulty at all actually. Two teams led by defense (the Spurs and Pistons) are dominating in an era that supposedly has absolutely zero defense (according to 27). Granted, teams like the Mavs and Suns are the antithesis of the point I am trying to make, but the proof is in the pudding. Defense is winning in the '00s. It didn't before then.

Does that mean the league as a whole is playing better defense? Not necessarily. But it does show that defense is being placed at a premium now more than it ever was before.
 
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StadiumDorm said:
Thanks for the specification. I'll send the memo to the Pistons, who recently set a record for holding teams under 70 in multiple consecutive games.

I'll conveniently forget also that the Sixers put up over 160 points in Wilt's century game as well.
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Wow....2 extremes to make your point. WINNER!
 
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IronBuckI said:
Considering that the "Bad Boy" Pistons made their name by holding other teams under 100 points for more games than anyone else, and now the freaking league average is around 100 points, I'll have to disagree with you. The league has now become so physical that people can't score like this anymore. What Kobe did, regardless of whether people like him or not, was a very impressive feat.
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Whatever. It's still the watered down NBA. It's still somebody who got rid of anything good on his team for the sole purpose of making him look better. It's still the Raptors. He tries that shit against any playoff team and they lose.
 
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I think it's safe to say that no player will break Wilt's record if he does not play all 4 quarters. With that said, when players nowadays start getting up there in the point totals, they will usually be pulled around the 3rd quarter or so, assuming you have a good lead (which you usually do when a player is on fire like that). No player will have a chance to break Wilt's record if this keeps happening. After Kobe scored his 81 last night, it showed that a player could take a stab at it if they get the minutes, but unless they get to play the whole game Wilt will keep his record.

So the question is, is it fair to give a player a chance to get the record if he has the oppurtunity, even if it means have him keep shooting in a blowout game?
 
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ScarletBlood31 said:
I think it's safe to say that no player will break Wilt's record if he does not play all 4 quarters. With that said, when players nowadays start getting up there in the point totals, they will usually be pulled around the 3rd quarter or so, assuming you have a good lead (which you usually do when a player is on fire like that). No player will have a chance to break Wilt's record if this keeps happening. After Kobe scored his 81 last night, it showed that a player could take a stab at it if they get the minutes, but unless they get to play the whole game Wilt will keep his record.

So the question is, is it fair to give a player a chance to get the record if he has the oppurtunity, even if it means have him keep shooting in a blowout game?
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Kobe played in all four quarters. and wasn't taken out until there were 46 seconds left in the game. He played just under 42 minutes, with much of that rest coming in his 26 point first half. As physical as the game is today, 42 minutes every night is almost too much for a 72 game schedule. You just can't take the chance on getting a guy, that IS your team, beat up, on the off chance that he's going to break the NBA scoring record. Phil was going to sit him earlier, until one of his assistance told him that Kobe had 77 points. Phil kept him in so he could get 80. Once he got 81, and there were only 43 seconds left, there really wasn't any reason to keep him in, with 100 being well out of reach.
 
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jimotis4heisman said:
two assists? as in one more than one and one less than three....wow...
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And so it is. Some guys like Jordan and AI find/found ways to involve their teammates more and play defense better as their careers wore on, which led them to winning more and scoring (or at least shooting) a little less...and then there is Kobe, who doesn't even let the ground touch the ball. Congrats to him...for what it's worth, which to me, is not much.


"Wilt was just as selfish as Kobe. Even the year he led the league in assists, he only did it to prove a point, not to actually guide his team to victory."

How do you know...did he tell you? Wilt averaged at least 4 assists per game 10 times, including the last 9 years of his career. Not too shabby for a center, all things considered.
 
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