Kirk Ferentz (four more B1G COY Awards than Tressel and Meyer combined)

[cincibuck]

I'm no blind Tressel homer but I am starting to take exception with this school of thought, at least as far as the B10 is concerned, that Tressel only wins because of the supposedly huge built in advantage OSU gives anyone who coaches it as far as resources and recruiting goes.

Just to be clear, I think there's more to Tressel than simply winning because of all the advantages. Carr and Dick Wad add to the proof by their failure to win. A better example might be Sparky Anderson and the Big Red Machine. He knew how to keep so many big egos happy and oriented toward what was best for the team.

I'd also add that the heat control in Columbus has a lower trigger point than the heat in Iowa City.

Still, Ferentz seems to me to get a lot out of a limited talent pool.

 

[cincibuck]

Using your train of thought here, no coach at Ohio State can ever be considered the best coach in the conference.

Ummmmm Tressell won his NC without the best talent in the conference, much less the NC game. He's beaten Michigan when they had the better QB, left tackle and running back and perhaps the better receiving corps. I'd have no problem with him being Big 10 COTY -- in fact, wasn't he?

I'm not trying to diminish what Tressell has accomplished or say that winning in Columbus is automatic. I'm just saying that I appreciate what Ferentz has done at a place where I believe it is harder to win.

 

[BuckeyeNation27]

Ummmmm Tressell won his NC without the best talent in the conference, much less the NC game. He's beaten Michigan when they had the better QB, left tackle and running back and perhaps the better receiving corps. I'd have no problem with him being Big 10 COTY -- in fact, wasn't he?

I'm not trying to diminish what Tressell has accomplished or say that winning in Columbus is automatic. I'm just saying that I appreciate what Ferentz has done at a place where I believe it is harder to win.

Tressel has never been B10 COTY......probably because of this exact line of thinking. You can appreciate what Ferentz does at a place that's harder to win, but if you say that makes him a better coach then you're saying Tressel couldn't produce the same amount of wins........or more. You're also saying Ferentz would be able to match what Tressel has done here.

I honestly think both those statements are false.

 

[NFBuck]

Ferentz isn't doing anything better than Hayden Fry did before him in the 80's.

 

[DaddyBigBucks]

Someone look up how many all-conference players Ferentz had.

Now look up how many all-conference performers come from Ohio State's roster.

Now go check the conference standings.

And who was coach of the year?

 

[OSU_D/]

Ferentz is the anti-Tressel in November:

21-18 overall (.534)
6-10 in the last 5 seasons (.375)

 

[GrizzlyBuck]

Ferentz is the anti-Tressel in November:

21-18 overall (.534)
6-10 in the last 5 seasons (.375)

yeah but he has all of those B10 coach of the year awards to fall back on

 

[Bucklion]

COACH OF THE CENTURY !!11!!11!!11!!eleventy-trev alberts!!1!!!!!!!

 

[EireHog]

As an outsider with no vested interest in the Big Ten (aside from a minor rooting interest for NW/MN, because they've been so terrible for so long), I've never understood why people were enamored with Ferentz.

He's had as many losing seasons as 11 win seasons, and another right at .500; they've been an 8 or 9 win team over the last decade or so, on average, but that's not hugely off of the Iowa norm.

He crushes Minnesota and Penn State, I'll readily grant-- and even leaving aside his record vs. OSU, how can anyone excuse his record vs. the 3 headed juggernauts of Northwestern, Iowa State, and Indiana?

 

[DaddyBigBucks]

As an outsider with no vested interest in the Big Ten (aside from a minor rooting interest for NW/MN, because they've been so terrible for so long), I've never understood why people were enamored with Ferentz.

He's had as many losing seasons as 11 win seasons, and another right at .500; they've been an 8 or 9 win team over the last decade or so, on average, but that's not hugely off of the Iowa norm.

He crushes Minnesota and Penn State, I'll readily grant-- and even leaving aside his record vs. OSU, how can anyone excuse his record vs. the 3 headed juggernauts of Northwestern, Iowa State, and Indiana?

Immediately following Ohio State's 12th win in 13 tries against the Hawkeyes, my brother texted to ask if I thought Ferentz would win his 4th Big Ten Coach of the Year award before Tressel won his first. I didn't even have to think about the answer. Of course he will. The media never compare their narrative to reality. I'm not sure if they're aware that there is a reality that exists independently of their ability to perceive it or report on it.

 

[GoBucks1014]

As an outsider with no vested interest in the Big Ten (aside from a minor rooting interest for NW/MN, because they've been so terrible for so long), I've never understood why people were enamored with Ferentz.

He's had as many losing seasons as 11 win seasons, and another right at .500; they've been an 8 or 9 win team over the last decade or so, on average, but that's not hugely off of the Iowa norm.

He crushes Minnesota and Penn State, I'll readily grant-- and even leaving aside his record vs. OSU, how can anyone excuse his record vs. the 3 headed juggernauts of Northwestern, Iowa State, and Indiana?

Immediately following Ohio State's 12th win in 13 tries against the Hawkeyes, my brother texted to ask if I thought Ferentz would win his 4th Big Ten Coach of the Year award before Tressel won his first. I didn't even have to think about the answer. Of course he will. The media never compare their narrative to reality. I'm not sure if they're aware that there is a reality that exists independently of their ability to perceive it or report on it.

I move that we petition Jim Delaney to rename it the Kirk Ferentz COY Award. That way Captain Mediocre's greatness will be forever cemented, even in the off chance he does not actually win the award.

 

[Buckeye86]

I move that we petition Jim Delaney to rename it the Kirk Ferentz COY Award. That way Captain Mediocre's greatness will be forever cemented, even in the off chance he does not actually win the award.

I have said for awhile that it should be called the "Ohio State didn't kick our asses as bad as everyone thought they would COY Award."

That way, the reason Ohio State's coach will never win is clearly explained in the title.

 

[ScriptOhio]

As an outsider with no vested interest in the Big Ten (aside from a minor rooting interest for NW/MN, because they've been so terrible for so long), I've never understood why people were enamored with Ferentz.

He's had as many losing seasons as 11 win seasons, and another right at .500; they've been an 8 or 9 win team over the last decade or so, on average, but that's not hugely off of the Iowa norm.

He crushes Minnesota and Penn State, I'll readily grant-- and even leaving aside his record vs. OSU, how can anyone excuse his record vs. the 3 headed juggernauts of Northwestern, Iowa State, and Indiana?

I'm not enamored with Kirk Ferentz; however, I really think he is doing an excellent job at Iowa. He seems to consistantly get more from less talent than anyone else in the Big 10. I'm pretty sure that Iowa doesn't have that many "top 100 division 1A football prospects" so he has been working primarily with everyone else's leftovers (i.e. he only the gets out of state players from a state (like Ohio) that the major school in that state (like Ohio State) doesn't offer a scholarship to, etc.).

 

[MaxBuck]

I really don't think most of us think Kirk Ferentz is anything other than an excellent coach; we're just strongly ticked off that an even better coach (Jim Tressel) has been consistently ignored in the Coach-of-the-Year voting. Two different things, really.

 

[FCollinsBuckeye]

Immediately following Ohio State's 12th win in 13 tries against the Hawkeyes, my brother texted to ask if I thought Ferentz would win his 4th Big Ten Coach of the Year award before Tressel won his first. I didn't even have to think about the answer. Of course he will.

Brett Bielema is a shoe-in for this year's award, imo.