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Kirk Ferentz (four more B1G COY Awards than Tressel and Meyer combined)

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jwinslow;2223028; said:
How'd that work out for Minnesota? Purdue? Illinois?

Arkansas and Oklahoma state are very poor comparisons . They have droves of local talent to pull from and Berger financial backing, in terms of money earmarked for football extravagance, especially okie state.

WVU has much more local talent too.

Boise plays one or two games a year.

I agree the big ten needs a better commitment financially but Iowa is the wrong school to target. They paid.

Ferentz is wildly overpaid, but it is far cheaper than the results and revenue without him.
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Minnesota was just panic mode. Mason took them special places and they should have kept him around and used his success to develope an identity.

When was Illinois or Purdue any good? Illinois SHOULD be good.. so much local talent they need to fix their culture I think.

Indiana schools are except, that whole state sucks.

What talent does WVU have?

Arkansas and Okie lite have cash.. that was the point, they need to dedicate those kind of resources if they truely want to step up.

I am not as avid in recruiting as some does ourkansas have a lot of local talent or are you refering to poaching the rest of the south? and Okie doesnt have talent, Texas does. Iowa has recruited texas moderately well before. If they got some upgrades and a coach with some pull I dont believe they couldnt do something similar, maybe they would have to get a niche or a gimmik to pull specific kids but it would be better than they are now.
 
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If showergate hadn't happened, I would have put Ped Aggy in the top tier.

They may have been a latecomer relative to Michigan and Ohio State, but they have been a major national program for going on fifty years now. More national championships than Michigan over the last 60 years and more than Ohio State over the last 40.

They're in a large state that produces solid talent (though off its glory period) for which they have little in-state competition.

They have better recruiting pipelines into the mid-Atlantic and Jersey than any Big Ten school.

107K stadium. Well funded across the board athletic program, and I believe the highest football revenues in the Big Ten recently.

The unrealistic expectations of their fans notwithstanding, their greatest impediment to competing was JoePed for the last dozen years, and they couldn't dislodge him until he got his precious 409. The delicious irony in it all is once they make the break from JoePed, they immediately get hit with the most crippling ncaa sanctions in history.
 
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Big10 schools outside of the Big2 that had sustained success for a multitude of years in my sketchy at best memory.

Wisconsin (niche-power running huge lines)
Minnesotta (niche-power running nearly option style)
Purdue (niche- basketball on grass)
Penn State(soft schedules and home cooking)
Nebraska (niche-option football - interesting recruiting advantages)
MSU (in state power shift GBYBMYMSOAB)

did I miss anyone?

So unless they wanna leave the big10 to play temple a bunch of new england schools I think Iowa's best bet is to develope an identity to set themselves apart. Right now they dont do anything that 80% of the schools in the country do and they dont have the history, recruiting base, academics or success to pull anything significant in recruiting to really improve.

So what I am saying isnt that just hiring another coach is gonna fix things but it can be done. They just need to set themselves apart. My advice to them would be upgrade facilities if financially feasible, decide what kind of "gimmick" the locals will tolerate and adopt a style of play that will make them stand out in a recruits mind. sometimes being different is better than being good. You dont have to be tops on every recruits list, just have to be different so that 15 to 20 players a year will see what you do and think that particular style will amplify what they are good at.

Ferentz doesnt resonate with recruits, doesnt do anything unique, and they dont have the built in advantages to overcome that. In short, Iowa is faceless to most highschool kids.
 
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That history would suggest that it is a huge gamble to dump a somewhat successful (by Iowa standards) coach hoping for more when their tradition and talent base will remain lousy.

Let's say they beat the odds and find a rising star in the coaching ranks that can attract recruits for a perennial 2-4 loss program.

Can they actually keep him if he is a great coach?

Iowa found a coveted coach in Ferentz, then stepped up financially to keep him. But coaching doesn't fix recruiting in corn fields without people or quality HS football.

Ferentz is overpaid but a few extra million per year is a small price to pay to avoid a slump from replacing him, which would cost them more than a few million in annual revenue
 
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Buckeye86;2223039; said:
This is the Big Ten hierarchy in my opinion based on potential (based on current strength Illinois would switch with Wisconsin and Minnesota would get bumped down).

1st Tier
Ohio State
Michigan

2nd Tier
Great history and/or local talent means these teams should be competing for conference titles a majority of the time.

Nebraska
Michigan State
Penn State (maybe eventually can get here again)
Illinois (if they can ever get their act together)

Third Tier
Can be good every once and awhile but lack the resources for sustained success.

Wisconsin (I think their recent success is more of a flash in the pan rather than anything sustainable)
Iowa
Minnesota

Fourth Tier
Anything better than consistently sucking is a pleasant surprise.

Purdue
Northwestern
Indiana

The financial commitment and consistent success needs to come from the second tier. Anything beyond that is just icing on the cake.
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If you are going on potential then you have to put PSU and Nebraska in tier 1 imo.

As ORD and others have pointed out, if the right guy is at OSU, scUM, Neb or PSU he could build a perennial top 10 team. Recruiting base, alumni support, tradition and facilities are all there for each school.

Also as bad as I hate them Wisconsin has been flashing in the pan for the better part of the last 20 years.I'd put them solidly in the tier 2 slot with MSU and Illinois.

In fact I would just go with 3 tiers and say;

Tier 1: OSU, scUM, PSU, Nebraska
Middle: MSU, Wisky, Iowa, Illinois
Bottom feeders: IU, Purdue, Northwestern, Minnyhaha
 
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Every sec state has a very high amount d1 talent per capita, many of them rivaling Florida and all smoking California. They also have open bidding on recruits usually through handlers. There is cheating at all levels buy it is at another level there.


West Virginia borders three elite recruiting states with a major void of powerhouses to compete against in the east.

Iowa produces less d1 recruits than Alaska. :lol:

Go to Texas? They are as far North as Toledo. That's like expecting the rockets to build inroads in Florida. Can they? Sure...


...but recruiting has always been local
 
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I'd base it simply off of win percentages since 1980, since that'd likely be a good barometer of recent success.

Top Tier:

Nebraska (78%)
Ohio State (74%)
Michigan (72%)
Penn State (71% prior to the 112 wins vacated)

2nd Tier:

Iowa (61%)
Wisconsin (58%)

3rd Tier:

Michigan State (52%)
Illinois (48%)

4th Tier:

Purdue (46%)
Minnesota (42%)

5th Tier:

Indiana (39%)
Northwestern (37%)


Even if you play with the numbers, and change it to the 90s and on, the tiers change only slightly - the biggest loser being Illinois (48% to 42%), and Northwestern being the winner (37% to 45%).

Point being, Iowa has generally been in the same area as Wisconsin. They're certainly hot-or-cold, but generally field better teams than the tiers that are well below. I think Iowa can do much better than Ferentz. You can say whatever you want, but money talks. Iowa isn't a destination school, but for what they are paying Ferentz, they could probably get a good coach. Not a Meyer or the like, but someone like Leach, Hologorsen, or the others (e.g. new coaches to mid or upper-level BCS schools) could be attracted.

Oh, and here's a talent per capita map of the US, for those interested - good stuff:
http://www.tulsaworld.com/specialprojects/sports/starsearch/#intmap
 
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Buckeye86;2223039; said:
This is the Big Ten hierarchy in my opinion based on potential (based on current strength Illinois would switch with Wisconsin and Minnesota would get bumped down).

1st Tier
Ohio State
Michigan

2nd Tier
Great history and/or local talent means these teams should be competing for conference titles a majority of the time.

Nebraska
Michigan State
Penn State (maybe eventually can get here again)
Illinois (if they can ever get their act together)

Third Tier
Can be good every once and awhile but lack the resources for sustained success.

Wisconsin (I think their recent success is more of a flash in the pan rather than anything sustainable)
Iowa
Minnesota

Fourth Tier
Anything better than consistently sucking is a pleasant surprise.

Purdue
Northwestern
Indiana

The financial commitment and consistent success needs to come from the second tier. Anything beyond that is just icing on the cake.
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I would argue that Iowa and Minnesota have a very good history to look back on. Minnesota for sure. I would be willing to concede Iowa to you.
 
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Kirk Ferentz takes his ball and goes home

The topic of Iowa football and recruiting in Florida came to a head Tuesday night in Des Moines when Recruiting Coordinator Eric Johnson said the program would not be making Florida a priority in the near future.

Johnson's comments echoed that of Kirk Ferentz from last winter when he decided not to assign one of his assistant coaches to the Sunshine State for the first time during his tenure at Iowa. Not surprisingly, this last recruiting class didn?t have any Florida preps in it, also the first time that has happened under Ferentz.

Johnson said they feel they have the best chance to land and keep players on campus who come from no farther than six to eight hours away form campus. This is obviously not a hard and fast rule, but for the most part you will see this in an Iowa recruiting class.

While Iowa has had several successes or 'hits' from their Florida recruiting efforts, they have had far more 'misses'. Here is the Florida Recruiting Record from the Kirk Ferentz era.

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Johnson said they feel they have the best chance to land and keep players on campus who come from no farther than six to eight hours away form campus. This is obviously not a hard and fast rule, but for the most part you will see this in an Iowa recruiting class.
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If they limit their recruiting to this range, they're gong to be the new Indiana of football in the conference.
 
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Eight hours, 70mph speed limit (we'll ignore that it's 65 in Illinois & Minnesota) so roughly 560 miles. That takes them not just out of Florida but also TX & GA.

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BuckTwenty;2307608; said:
Iowa could do so much better than Ferentz for the money they are shelling out for a football coach.


They need to cut bait and use that money to lure a big fish to Iowa City.
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That's very expensive bait you are cutting here: basically it is $3.675M a year through 2020. By the time you pay off Ferentz there is nothing left for a new coach. I seriously doubt that Iowa can afford $7M a year (Ferentz + new coach) through 2020 for a new football coach.

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Ferentz will begin his 12th season as Iowa's football head coach Saturday when the nationally ranked Hawkeyes entertain Eastern Illinois at historic Kinnick Stadium. The extension puts Ferentz under contract with the UI through the 2020 college football season.

Ferentz's total annual compensation under the new agreement will be $3,675,000. This total is comprised of annual base income of $1.87 million, an increase of $250,000, and annual supplemental compensation of $1.48 million, an increase of $80,000. Ferentz will also receive annual longevity compensation beginning in 2010. That amount starts at $325,000 and increases annually.

http://www.hawkeyesports.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/090210aag.html
 
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