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John Calipari (official thread of impending probation)

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Bucky32 said:
Kentucky...wow. Don't see them losing many games this year at all.
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They are going to be a hard team to beat. I still think they aren't great offensively but they can do enough because their defense and length is going to give a lot of teams problems. They are going to give teams fits on rebounding and defending the paint area. I still think a team that has multiple players that can stretch the floor could beat Kentucky. Especially if you have a 4 or 5 man to bring the bigs out of the paint.
 
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zwem said:
They are going to be a hard team to beat. I still think they aren't great offensively but they can do enough because their defense and length is going to give a lot of teams problems. They are going to give teams fits on rebounding and defending the paint area. I still think a team that has multiple players that can stretch the floor could beat Kentucky. Especially if you have a 4 or 5 man to bring the bigs out of the paint.
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I agree with this. Kansas may be a tad overrated at this point making Ky look just a little more dominating than maybe they really are.
 
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The thing that interests me about Kentucky is that they are doing what I see in my local HS's gym every winter. Our coaches use depth as a weapon. They often aren't very big or talented, but they throw 10-12 kids at the other team. By halftime or the 3rd qtr, the team that's playing 7 or 8 is exhausted and the homies win by 20.

It's hard to play 10 kids. It makes the coaching and game management way more difficult, so almost everyone plays a max of 8.

Kentucky is doing this with 10 uber talented guys. It doesn't matter if they can't score for stretches. They aren't going to let you score, and they are wearing you out in the process.

I think they will lose some games. Someone will hit a bunch of 3's on them, and will either have the conditioning or depth to counter theirs. Cal may well be swimming in sleaze, but he's got guts to go against conventional coaching wisdom. I bet we will see more platooning at other places in the next few years, even tho conventional wisdom ingores depth as a tool that can help you win. Tired players pace themselves and don't play hard all the time - and they miss shots.
 
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OSUK said:
The thing that interests me about Kentucky is that they are doing what I see in my local HS's gym every winter. Our coaches use depth as a weapon. They often aren't very big or talented, but they throw 10-12 kids at the other team. By halftime or the 3rd qtr, the team that's playing 7 or 8 is exhausted and the homies win by 20.

It's hard to play 10 kids. It makes the coaching and game management way more difficult, so almost everyone plays a max of 8.

Kentucky is doing this with 10 uber talented guys. It doesn't matter if they can't score for stretches. They aren't going to let you score, and they are wearing you out in the process.

I think they will lose some games. Someone will hit a bunch of 3's on them, and will either have the conditioning or depth to counter theirs. Cal may well be swimming in sleaze, but he's got guts to go against conventional coaching wisdom. I bet we will see more platooning at other places in the next few years, even tho conventional wisdom ingores depth as a tool that can help you win. Tired players pace themselves and don't play hard all the time - and they miss shots.
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Calipari revises his strategy depending on the weapons he has available to him. That's just one of many reasons he's the best at his profession. But he's pretty doggoned oily.
 
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The thing that bugs me about Cal is his mirky association with World Wide Wes. No one knows exactly what their association entails, and no one really knows for sure what Wes does to make money - but he's making it - apparently a lot of it. He is tied to AAU in that he develops relationships with elite players, and he apparently owns a company of agents that represents athletes and entertainers - but he is not an agent himself. But Wes is seen everywhere on the sidelines of practically every major sporting and entertainment event - thus the nickname "World Wide".

If you connect a few dots, there are a couple of possiblities. One is simply that Wes develops friendships with players in hopes that his company will eventually be able to represent them, and that he steers these players to Cal as a favor to a friend. Another would be that he gets players and/or their families indebted to him financially or otherwise, and then steers them to Cal because he can prepare them to be high draft picks. A third possiblity is that there are no shenanigans with the players, but Wes gets a kick back from Cal for steering elite players to Kentucky. A fourth possibility is that Wes is making money coming and going - from the players/families and from kick-backs.

Kentucky gets Caulley-Stein, Johnson, Lyles, Towns, etc. for big men and Ohio State gets Amir Williams. Why is that? Is it just that Cal is a better salesman than Matta, or are there some other factors coming into play that are, shall we say, below the table?

Cal could be anything from an honest but misuderstood coach to as corrupt as they come, depending on how you think he is getting those players to Kentucky. I believe that if Cal and Kentucky ever go down, WWW will be the reason.
 
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OSUK said:
The thing that bugs me about Cal is his mirky association with World Wide Wes. No one knows exactly what their association entails, and no one really knows for sure what Wes does to make money - but he's making it - apparently a lot of it. He is tied to AAU in that he develops relationships with elite players, and he apparently owns a company of agents that represents athletes and entertainers - but he is not an agent himself. But Wes is seen everywhere on the sidelines of practically every major sporting and entertainment event - thus the nickname "World Wide".

If you connect a few dots, there are a couple of possiblities. One is simply that Wes develops friendships with players in hopes that his company will eventually be able to represent them, and that he steers these players to Cal as a favor to a friend. Another would be that he gets players and/or their families indebted to him financially or otherwise, and then steers them to Cal because he can prepare them to be high draft picks. A third possiblity is that there are no shenanigans with the players, but Wes gets a kick back from Cal for steering elite players to Kentucky. A fourth possibility is that Wes is making money coming and going - from the players/families and from kick-backs.

Kentucky gets Caulley-Stein, Johnson, Lyles, Towns, etc. for big men and Ohio State gets Amir Williams. Why is that? Is it just that Cal is a better salesman than Matta, or are there some other factors coming into play that are, shall we say, below the table?

Cal could be anything from an honest but misuderstood coach to as corrupt as they come, depending on how you think he is getting those players to Kentucky. I believe that if Cal and Kentucky ever go down, WWW will be the reason.
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Given he left UMass, they got smacked by the NCAA and he left Memphis and they got smacked by the NCAA... i'm gonna lean to corrupt as they come...
 
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This is an actual thing, handed out to actual people attending an actual basketball game. It's funny when the SEC pretends to care about basketball.

cc: @BigWoof31

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They should have handed one out to the players

"When there is less than four minutes to play in the game..."
MAKE FREE THROWS


It's depressing how good Kentucky is - you can literally afford zero mistakes.
 
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