Jim Tressel (National Champion, ex-President, Youngstown State University, CFB HOF)

[AKAK]

Putting aside your excuses for assaulting a player, something no coaches do (unlike Tressel's misdeed)

Woody Hayes was paying players and setting up no show jobs. He was banned from the rose bowl, and those violations were much worse than these. The punishment system was simply different back then. If Tressel was caught doing what woody did, gene smith would beg to only be docked twenty scholarships.

Unlimited scholly's then no? (call the husker du-des... they know) so, point being it illustrates the difference in time.

 

[osucollegebuck]

Regardless of anything that has happened of late, I am sitting here watching State Penn vs tOSU 10 and thinking how much I'm gonna miss Tressel. Granted I hope Luke does well and helps remedy the loss a bit, but I know the full effect of Tressel being gone won't hit til September 3rd. Damn it. Will miss you coach.

I think your right it will hit me on our first home game when he's not at skull session and not leading carmen ohio at the end of the game. Very gut wrenching. But even the people who aren't fond of him now, in time he will be as beloved as Woody Hayes.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

Both earned less than they might have commanded, because they felt they earned enough.

Erroneous. Erroneous on all counts. JT was one of the five highest paid coaches in all of NCAA football (possibly all sports). He was the highest paid individual at Ohio State University and the highest paid public employee of the state of Ohio (and that includes both Gee and the Governor). Please, please don't compare him to Woody who was the lowest paid coach in the Big Ten when he was fired.

 

[Jake]

Jim Tressel has proven to be a liar and a hypocrite. I hope I've made myself abundantly clear to the take-sentences-out-of-context-defend-Jim-Tressel-at-all-costs crowd. If you think I'm referring to you, whoever you are, you're right.

 

[Buckeye86]

There is more to representing Ohio State as football coach than beating Michigan, at least for some of us. But for many, Tressel will always be a "saint" simply because of that record. That's a "side of history" I'll gladly let go on without me.

Everyone else shot down your ridiculous notion that Woody's faults are forgotten to history, so I will just add that ignoring Jim Tressel's accomplishments and contributions outside of the field of play for the sake of your argument is asinine- just like pretending that punching a kid is the only thing that defined Woody Hayes.

According to you, Woody Hayes is only remembered for the good things he did and his transgressions are forgotten to history, but Jim Tressel will be defined by his faults and all of the good things he has done will be forgotten?

Is it even possible to be more inconsistent than that?

 

[jlb1705]

Jim Tressel has proven to be a liar and a hypocrite. I hope I've made myself abundantly clear to the take-sentences-out-of-context-defend-Jim-Tressel-at-all-costs crowd. If you think I'm referring to you, whoever you are, you're right.

Note to self: Request that Jake not be allowed to give the eulogy at my funeral.

 

[Jaxbuck]

Note to self: Request that Jake not be allowed to give the eulogy at my funeral.

What do you care? You'll be dead.

 

[Buckeye86]

Jim Tressel has proven to be a liar and a hypocrite. I hope I've made myself abundantly clear to the take-sentences-out-of-context-defend-Jim-Tressel-at-all-costs crowd. If you think I'm referring to you, whoever you are, you're right.

For the record, I'm not defending Jim Tressel. I'm saying that as time goes on he will be appreciated more for his accomplishments and contributions to Ohio State and the black mark of his resignation will be more and more forgotten... just like what happened with Woody Hayes which you keep proving over and over again by repeating that no one remembers all of his faults.

Oh wait, people that disagree with you are the only ones that take sentences out of context for the sake of an agenda...

 

[buckeyesin07]

Jim Tressel has proven to be a liar and a hypocrite. I hope I've made myself abundantly clear to the take-sentences-out-of-context-defend-Jim-Tressel-at-all-costs crowd. If you think I'm referring to you, whoever you are, you're right.

Geez. You're not even talking to me, and I still take offense to what a self-righteous post this is. Get over yourself.

 

[jlb1705]

What do you care? You'll be dead.

Yeah, but I'm totally going to haunt the shit out of this place.

 

[Jaxbuck]

Yeah, but I'm totally going to haunt the shit out of this place.

so we'll have a ghost in the machine

cool

 

[jwinslow]

Telling me to read your posts properly and respond accordingly was particularly comical, considering you refused to address bb or myself on either of our rebuttals.

Jim Tressel has proven to be a liar and a hypocrite. I hope I've made myself abundantly clear to the take-sentences-out-of-context-defend-Jim-Tressel-at-all-costs crowd. If you think I'm referring to you, whoever you are, you're right.

oh I see, it is our fault you posted "Woody's gaffe is forgotten by history"

Since you can't support that claim, you go on the offensive insulting me for blindly defending Tressel.


I'm not defending Jim Tressel. I'm calling out your revisionist defense of Woody, who not only left in disgrace but also had cheating violations on top of that. That is what is such a shame, because he had so many great qualities and contributions overshadowed by the manner of his exit. People didn't want to hear that Woody was a good guy right after it happened, but over time the dichotomy of his flaws and greatness can finally be told, by bo, players, regular people touched deeply by his sacrifices, humility and leadership.

Jim made a mistake and deserved to be punished under the system. He will never escape the way he left but time will be kinder to him. It won't be because anyone forgot, but rather the whole picture will be in view.

Just like woody, that doesn't mean it will excuse or exonerate him. It simply means that an ugly ending dominates the scene more than it should because the emotions are still fresh.

 

[sparcboxbuck]

Please.... <snip> If his silence was worth anything and this was some attempt to buy it, he'd be getting a hell of a lot more than this.

QFT

 

[Jake]

Telling me to read your posts properly and respond accordingly was particularly comical, considering you refused to address bb or myself on either of our rebuttals. oh I see, it is our fault you posted "Woody's gaffe is forgotten by history"

I specifically explained "history" as the record books and spelled it out clearly. You took one sentence out of that paragraph, ignored the rest, and suggested I meant no one remembers it happened. I never said any such thing, your straw man notwithstanding.

 

[Jake]

I find it interesting that Kirk Herbstreit gets viciously attacked for daring to say anything even remotely critical of the Buckeyes and is a villain in some OSU fan circles. Such behavior is not only tolerated by the masses, it is practically encouraged by some here.

Meanwhile, Jim Tressel gets an entire season erased with more sanctions likely on the way - a black mark unlike any other in program history - and the Herbie bashers tie themselves in knots to make excuses for JT and get pissed off at anyone who dares to criticize him.

I hope JT can turn this negative experience into a positive down the line, and he may well do it, but his days of "sainthood" are over in my eyes. Forgive? Sure, if he actually asks for it. So far all I've seen him do is reach a severance agreement with his former employer. Forget? Nope.