Magnus6208;1931833; said:
It's like opening a time capsule containing our own smugness. You'll get your comeuppance one day too, Longhorns.
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It's like opening a time capsule containing our own smugness. You'll get your comeuppance one day too, Longhorns.
yt6
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Ok, lets take a literal unemotional look at what the OSU situation is and isn't.
1. Jim Tressel lied 3 times about knowing players were involved in the tatoo situation.
2. 5 players have been investigated and suspended for selling items that were not theirs to sell. (It is not an improper benefit to sell "stolen" items to a place, the violation is selling something that was not yours to sell) They have been investigated, and punished
3. It is possible that more players have been involved in this,. So far the NCAA has investigated it, and has not found anyone else guilty.
4. The main source for their being more players in the SI article about more players getting tattoos is Dustin Halko, a 5 time convicted criminal who's boss said that he is lying about this story and that they did not give players benefits of tattoos
5. There are no finds of players receiving cars as a benefit for being an athlete. The first story that turned up about Lawrence Wilson, was found to be false.
6. Youngstown State, the university was penalized for the relationship between the quarterback and the booster
7. Maurice Clarrett, was suspended for a year, and never played again because of his relationship with a booster
8. Troy Smith was suspended for receiving $500 to help pay a phone bill.
These are the facts of the story. Jim Tressel lost his job because of it, the University may have more penalties coming because of it.
Tressel made mistakes, and he is paying for them. Players broke rules and they are paying for them. The University is paying for both parties failures.
Let's just be careful about challenging the value or depth of a man's faith. Tressel is not a good man, he is a fallen man. But in Christ he is a great man. He is used by God in lots of ways, and gives his time, money and resources to impact people for Christ.
Let's not throw the man under the bus and question the validity of his faith, because we all know we are equally depraved and equally capable of failure and we won't want people throwing our faith under the bus when we fail. We just have the luxury of not having our failures on the front page.
Lastly (this part will be a little less unemotional look), people challenge the character of kids recruited. Pryor is a selfish, hardworking, prideful, unbelievably gifted, egotistical, passionate, sacrificial teammate and leader of a nationally prominent team. Should Tressel have not recruited him. No way. He was by far the best talent in the country, (and still is the best athlete in college athletics). He is a winner and incredibly talented QB and athlete. He failed as a freshman selling stuff he should not have. I am sure he has done other stuff that we don't know about that is wrong. But just don't forget that he is a young man learning to walk the walk of life. He is entrusted with alot, and so much is expected. He has fallen short at times off the field. On the field he has been incredibly successful People mock his throwing motion, or decision making. But when he has to make plays, he makes them. Just ask any coach out there. He has not delivered s Heisman or national championship, and maybe will not, But careful calling him a bust or failure. He has accomploshed a ton of the field in big games, bowl games and helping his team be the best they can. The story is not done yet.
There is one thing that Tressel did with his players. He gave them a chance to get better, on and off the field. When your kid is 17 and you want a college coach or professor or employer to give you kids a chance, you will know what it means to have someone that will take you on, even if they are a project.
yt
Ok, lets take a literal unemotional look at what the OSU situation is and isn't.
1. Jim Tressel lied 3 times about knowing players were involved in the tatoo situation.
2. 5 players have been investigated and suspended for selling items that were not theirs to sell. (It is not an improper benefit to sell "stolen" items to a place, the violation is selling something that was not yours to sell) They have been investigated, and punished
3. It is possible that more players have been involved in this,. So far the NCAA has investigated it, and has not found anyone else guilty.
4. The main source for their being more players in the SI article about more players getting tattoos is Dustin Halko, a 5 time convicted criminal who's boss said that he is lying about this story and that they did not give players benefits of tattoos
5. There are no finds of players receiving cars as a benefit for being an athlete. The first story that turned up about Lawrence Wilson, was found to be false.
6. Youngstown State, the university was penalized for the relationship between the quarterback and the booster
7. Maurice Clarrett, was suspended for a year, and never played again because of his relationship with a booster
8. Troy Smith was suspended for receiving $500 to help pay a phone bill.
These are the facts of the story. Jim Tressel lost his job because of it, the University may have more penalties coming because of it.
Tressel made mistakes, and he is paying for them. Players broke rules and they are paying for them. The University is paying for both parties failures.
Let's just be careful about challenging the value or depth of a man's faith. Tressel is not a good man, he is a fallen man. But in Christ he is a great man. He is used by God in lots of ways, and gives his time, money and resources to impact people for Christ.
Let's not throw the man under the bus and question the validity of his faith, because we all know we are equally depraved and equally capable of failure and we won't want people throwing our faith under the bus when we fail. We just have the luxury of not having our failures on the front page.
Lastly (this part will be a little less unemotional look), people challenge the character of kids recruited. Pryor is a selfish, hardworking, prideful, unbelievably gifted, egotistical, passionate, sacrificial teammate and leader of a nationally prominent team. Should Tressel have not recruited him. No way. He was by far the best talent in the country, (and still is the best athlete in college athletics). He is a winner and incredibly talented QB and athlete. He failed as a freshman selling stuff he should not have. I am sure he has done other stuff that we don't know about that is wrong. But just don't forget that he is a young man learning to walk the walk of life. He is entrusted with alot, and so much is expected. He has fallen short at times off the field. On the field he has been incredibly successful People mock his throwing motion, or decision making. But when he has to make plays, he makes them. Just ask any coach out there. He has not delivered s Heisman or national championship, and maybe will not, But careful calling him a bust or failure. He has accomploshed a ton of the field in big games, bowl games and helping his team be the best they can. The story is not done yet.
There is one thing that Tressel did with his players. He gave them a chance to get better, on and off the field. When your kid is 17 and you want a college coach or professor or employer to give you kids a chance, you will know what it means to have someone that will take you on, even if they are a project.
yt
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muffler dragon
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yt6;1932145; said:
Remove the emboldened and I'd say your post is fine.
A person's faith is personal and isn't in the realm of validation in any way, shape or form. As for depravity, there are only certain religions or sects of religion that take hold of that dogma.
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sandgk
Watson, Crick & A Twist
Hey now those are "Real-time ideas from Jena McGregor for leading in a changing world" - she says so, herself, in the banner of her WashPo blog.Deety;1931885; said:
(She's an UGA grad FWIW and held "numerous positions" at SmartMoney, so she knows all about that changing world stuff).
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sandgk;1932226; said:
I'm assuming she was somebody's boss at one point, which would indicate a female superior.
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ScriptOhio
Everybody is somebody else's weirdo.
Tressel's mighty fall changes everything
I've long believed "looking the other way" is crucial to the success of a high-major coach.
You don't have to personally cheat, exactly.
But you'd better be willing to play deaf and dumb.
Jim Calhoun mostly got away with violations on his watch at Connecticut by doing it in regard to Nate Miles. Same goes for John Calipari at UMass in regard to Marcus Camby, John Wooden at UCLA in regard to I couldn't begin to guess how many players, and the list goes on and on. Cynical as it sounds, history suggests successful coaches don't run clean programs. They instead look one way and willfully ignore how their programs are run, and it has pretty much worked for decades.
But this Jim Tressel thing has changed the game.
Now we know ignoring violations can cost a legend his job.
I don't care how many Ohio State football players sold memorabilia, drove nice cars and received discounted tattoos, none of that stuff is what forced Tressel into resignation this week. He could've and would've survived all that and more. What ultimately buried the man who put the vest in investigation was an email sent to Tressel in April 2010 informing him that some of his players had possibly committed NCAA violations. When Tressel opened that email he created a paper trail, and he basically sealed his fate when he failed to report it to the Ohio State compliance department and/or NCAA.
Yes, Tressel initially lied in December when he said he had no knowledge of the violations until the FBI made Ohio State aware of them just before the Sugar Bowl. But that's beside the point, because telling the truth then would've been similarly bad. At that point, Tressel couldn't say, "Actually, I exchanged emails with a guy about this back in April, told somebody close to my quarterback about it but never reported it to anybody else." Doing that would've put him in the coaching graveyard just the same. So Tressel lied and hoped it would go away. But it didn't. And then the emails were uncovered. And so now somebody named Luke Fickell is in charge of one of the NCAA's most glamourous football programs.
So how does this change the game?
What it's done is provide a high-profile precedent that'll force football and basketball coaches to report anything and everything once there's proof that it's been reported to them, and that's not something football and basketball coaches are going to like doing. If a waiter sends an e-mail to Rick Pitino that says three of his seniors have been getting free bar tabs, Pitino is going to have to ask the Louisville compliance department to check it out. If a mechanic sends an e-mail to Rick Barnes that says two of his freshman have been driving discounted cars from a local lot, Barnes is going to have to ask the Texas compliance department to check it out. If a fan of a rival school sends an email to Lorenzo Romar that says one of his boosters paid a recruit's summer coach $15,000 for a signed national letter of intent, Romar is going to have to ask the Washington compliance department to check it out, and you can see how this might be an issue for some head coaches, can't you?
Bottom line, anybody with a Gmail account now has the ability to force a head coach to look at and acknowledge violations that head coaches have forever ignored. That'll be the lasting legacy of the Tressel scandal, I think. And it could make it difficult for some to last.
Entire article: http://www.cbssports.com/#!/collegeb...ges-everything
I've long believed "looking the other way" is crucial to the success of a high-major coach.
You don't have to personally cheat, exactly.
But you'd better be willing to play deaf and dumb.
Jim Calhoun mostly got away with violations on his watch at Connecticut by doing it in regard to Nate Miles. Same goes for John Calipari at UMass in regard to Marcus Camby, John Wooden at UCLA in regard to I couldn't begin to guess how many players, and the list goes on and on. Cynical as it sounds, history suggests successful coaches don't run clean programs. They instead look one way and willfully ignore how their programs are run, and it has pretty much worked for decades.
But this Jim Tressel thing has changed the game.
Now we know ignoring violations can cost a legend his job.
I don't care how many Ohio State football players sold memorabilia, drove nice cars and received discounted tattoos, none of that stuff is what forced Tressel into resignation this week. He could've and would've survived all that and more. What ultimately buried the man who put the vest in investigation was an email sent to Tressel in April 2010 informing him that some of his players had possibly committed NCAA violations. When Tressel opened that email he created a paper trail, and he basically sealed his fate when he failed to report it to the Ohio State compliance department and/or NCAA.
Yes, Tressel initially lied in December when he said he had no knowledge of the violations until the FBI made Ohio State aware of them just before the Sugar Bowl. But that's beside the point, because telling the truth then would've been similarly bad. At that point, Tressel couldn't say, "Actually, I exchanged emails with a guy about this back in April, told somebody close to my quarterback about it but never reported it to anybody else." Doing that would've put him in the coaching graveyard just the same. So Tressel lied and hoped it would go away. But it didn't. And then the emails were uncovered. And so now somebody named Luke Fickell is in charge of one of the NCAA's most glamourous football programs.
So how does this change the game?
What it's done is provide a high-profile precedent that'll force football and basketball coaches to report anything and everything once there's proof that it's been reported to them, and that's not something football and basketball coaches are going to like doing. If a waiter sends an e-mail to Rick Pitino that says three of his seniors have been getting free bar tabs, Pitino is going to have to ask the Louisville compliance department to check it out. If a mechanic sends an e-mail to Rick Barnes that says two of his freshman have been driving discounted cars from a local lot, Barnes is going to have to ask the Texas compliance department to check it out. If a fan of a rival school sends an email to Lorenzo Romar that says one of his boosters paid a recruit's summer coach $15,000 for a signed national letter of intent, Romar is going to have to ask the Washington compliance department to check it out, and you can see how this might be an issue for some head coaches, can't you?
Bottom line, anybody with a Gmail account now has the ability to force a head coach to look at and acknowledge violations that head coaches have forever ignored. That'll be the lasting legacy of the Tressel scandal, I think. And it could make it difficult for some to last.
Entire article: http://www.cbssports.com/#!/collegeb...ges-everything
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The great thing about this is that it proves, in my mind and what we all knew already, that these reporters, columnists, and on air personalities (yeah I'm talking about you Mike Greenberg, Colin Cowherd, and the host of other lame ass talking heads) have no clue about the man Jim Tressel.
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buckeyebri;1933492; said:
What it indicates to me is that time is more likely to be kind to Jim Tressel's legacy and less likely to be kind to the legacies of certain players.
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jlb1705;1933501; said:
In time yes, but today JT has been the most crucified by the talking heads who really have no clue what they are talking about concerning him as a person...
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No doubt about it.ORD_Buckeye;1931805; said:
This will be interesting to watch in the years to come. I don't know if they will go after the Pac-10 as hard since they are not as strong of a competitor to the SEC/ESPN as the BigTen/BigTen Network is.ORD_Buckeye;1931805; said:
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Roundabout
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At the end of the Day
I think he is a coach that is out of his era, todays big money game with its rules and "handlers" and all the junk that comes with it just was to much for him and what he's best at. Great coach, and teacher of men... Put him in the 50's and 60's or let him coach D3 football in todays crazy world.
I'd love for him to teach my son to grow into a man, but unless college sports changes a ton... what makes him such a great coach/teacher will make him the guy that will stick out his neck for that troubled kid, (thinks he can save everyone) and end up where he is today.
I think he is a coach that is out of his era, todays big money game with its rules and "handlers" and all the junk that comes with it just was to much for him and what he's best at. Great coach, and teacher of men... Put him in the 50's and 60's or let him coach D3 football in todays crazy world.
I'd love for him to teach my son to grow into a man, but unless college sports changes a ton... what makes him such a great coach/teacher will make him the guy that will stick out his neck for that troubled kid, (thinks he can save everyone) and end up where he is today.
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