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Jameis Winston (QB Browns)

Not counting Winston, Manziel, Archie or Marcus Mariotta...there have been 20 underclassmen who have won the Heisman.

Perhaps Jimbo means the only two frosh winners...but probably not because he's an idiot.
First two redshirt frosh, meaning the first two sophomores to win it that weren't good enough to even see the field their freshman year. Basically, most improved sophomores.
 
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http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft2015/st...eminoles-says-crab-legs-were-given-not-stolen

This isn't surprising. So, Winston is now saying that he didn't just "forget" to pay for the crab legs, or that he just stole them, he was getting free food other times from Publix because an employee said "take what you want, I have you covered." So, it goes beyond stealing and into the realm of accepting benefits because of his position as a athlete at Florida State, which would have been worse in the NCAA's eyes. Jimbo's reponse? He's a good kid, we had no idea this was happening, we checked with Publix before and they said nothing about this.
 
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http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft2015/st...eminoles-says-crab-legs-were-given-not-stolen

This isn't surprising. So, Winston is now saying that he didn't just "forget" to pay for the crab legs, or that he just stole them, he was getting free food other times from Publix because an employee said "take what you want, I have you covered." So, it goes beyond stealing and into the realm of accepting benefits because of his position as a athlete at Florida State, which would have been worse in the NCAA's eyes. Jimbo's reponse? He's a good kid, we had no idea this was happening, we checked with Publix before and they said nothing about this.

Jameis,

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http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft2015/st...eminoles-says-crab-legs-were-given-not-stolen

This isn't surprising. So, Winston is now saying that he didn't just "forget" to pay for the crab legs, or that he just stole them, he was getting free food other times from Publix because an employee said "take what you want, I have you covered." So, it goes beyond stealing and into the realm of accepting benefits because of his position as a athlete at Florida State, which would have been worse in the NCAA's eyes. Jimbo's reponse? He's a good kid, we had no idea this was happening, we checked with Publix before and they said nothing about this.
Did anybody think this was not what actually happened? I thought we all knew he was just getting free shit so they copped to theft, because the NCAA doesn't care about that as long as you don't get a free meal.
 
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You mean like deals on tattoos?

Something like that.

Not to split hairs here..... but in that instance, the issue at hand was that they were trading rings/trophies/jerseys/etc for tats - not getting them for free......

Don't get me wrong, I'm not naive - I realize that every big-name college athlete has many, many opportunities to accept hook-ups.

Regardless of whether Winston acted alone, or was part of some widespread, seafood smuggling cartel, it was theft and Winston's involvement makes him look bad. Herby defending it also makes him look bad.

That said, I realize that $32 worth of frozen crab legs is not really that big of a deal and Jameis doesn't really deserve to be in jail for it - it's not like he raped anyone or anything.
 
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Did anybody think this was not what actually happened? I thought we all knew he was just getting free [Mark May] so they copped to theft, because the NCAA doesn't care about that as long as you don't get a free meal.

Exactly right. The crab-legs deal was always a bigger strike against FSU than against Jameis imo, and this just lays it out in stupid Jameis's own stupid words.
 
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Something like that.

Not to split hairs here..... but in that instance, the issue at hand was that they were trading rings/trophies/jerseys/etc for tats - not getting them for free......

Don't get me wrong, I'm not naive - I realize that every big-name college athlete has many, many opportunities to accept hook-ups.

Regardless of whether Winston acted alone, or was part of some widespread, seafood smuggling cartel, it was theft and Winston's involvement makes him look bad. Herby defending it makes him look bad though.

That said, I realize that $32 worth of frozen crab legs is not really that big of a deal or that he deserves to be in jail - it's not like he raped anyone or anything.

Yeah, my response was directed at Herbie charging to the defense using the "everyone gets free shit" excuse

he is such a two faced, plastic motherfucker it makes me sick
 
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Don't let it be lost that the funniest detail out of this whole thing is this:

"Well, a week before, it was my buddy's birthday and we had got a cake. And we met a dude that worked inside Publix and he said, 'Hey, anytime you come in here, I got you.' So that day we just walked out and he hooked us up with that," Winston said.

You know ... cause 20 year old dudes buy each other sheet cakes for their birthdays all the time.
 
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Did anybody think this was not what actually happened? I thought we all knew he was just getting free [Mark May] so they copped to theft, because the NCAA doesn't care about that as long as you don't get a free meal.

Well...given some of his other antics, complete stupidity was in his wheelhouse. I kinda figured at the beginning he was getting food underneath the table, it always seemed more likely given that he was an athlete, but I also guessed it wasn't unlikely that he just walked out and forgot to pay cause he's Jameis.
 
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