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Jameis Winston (QB Browns)

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If I understood correctly, what I heard this morning was that the 10 days are based on something like business and/or school days...and since they go to Christmas break, it actually pushes the required decision time back to January. There is also a fine print statement to the effect "10 days or longer if required by circumstances." So, back to the fact that this whole twisted process could not possibly be any more insulting to the intelligence of virtually everyone outside of Dixie.

I really hate these people. But even more, I hate that we've come to this--that something that is seemingly so simple and obvious as the correct response to an accusation of rape can be contorted into the callous in-your-face flaunting of contempt for any semblance of law or justice...well, it just drives me to generate run-on sentences.
 
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LostLassie said:
If I understood correctly, what I heard this morning was that the 10 days are based on something like business and/or school days...and since they go to Christmas break, it actually pushes the required decision time back to January. There is also a fine print statement to the effect "10 days or longer if required by circumstances." So, back to the fact that this whole twisted process could not possibly be any more insulting to the intelligence of virtually everyone outside of Dixie.

I really hate these people. But even more, I hate that we've come to this--that something that is seemingly so simple and obvious as the correct response to an accusation of rape can be contorted into the callous in-your-face flaunting of contempt for any semblance of law or justice...well, it just drives me to generate run-on sentences.
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LL, you are correct, this postponement has created a situation where they will not have to reach a decision until January. In fact, after seeing this post, I re-read the USA Today article and came across this fascinating tidbit:

If the proceedings conclude on Dec. 5, Major Harding, a former Florida Supreme Court judge who is conducting the investigative hearing, would not be due to render a decision until Jan. 13, one day after the championship game.
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I can't believe that this situation is occurring in the United States. I could picture this happening in some corrupt Eastern European or South American country, but I can't believe that an American institution can so flagrantly disregard the law on a public level.
 
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H3ISMAN said:
LL, you are correct, this postponement has created a situation where they will not have to reach a decision until January. In fact, after seeing this post, I re-read the USA Today article and came across this fascinating tidbit:



I can't believe that this situation is occurring in the United States. I could picture this happening in some corrupt Eastern European or South American country, but I can't believe that an American institution can so flagrantly disregard the law on a public level.
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Really? You can't see how a huge money maker is being allowed to break rules publicly and get away with it in America?
 
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"I can't believe that this situation is occurring in the United States. I could picture this happening in some corrupt Eastern European or South American country, but I can't believe that an American institution can so flagrantly disregard the law on a public level."

There is plenty or room for outrage, but that was more appropriate when the original criminal investigation went awry.

No real "laws" are being compromised at this point. There are just University rules and NCAA rules that are in question. The most FSU can do is expel him. The most the NCAA can do is make him ineligible.

That said, there are actual Federal laws that may have been broken and actual government entities that may still be heard from before this is over. And all the Billy Joe Bob delays in the world wont get FSU around those.

Unfortunately, if FSU should somehow repeat and later have their title stripped, there is nothing that will stop the toothless wonders with their tommy hawk chops shouting "Lookie at this here shart wut sez we be champeuns!"

(Now I have to go retype this in all caps in case one of them comes to visit.)
 
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Oh8ch said:
"I can't believe that this situation is occurring in the United States. I could picture this happening in some corrupt Eastern European or South American country, but I can't believe that an American institution can so flagrantly disregard the law on a public level."

There is plenty or room for outrage, but that was more appropriate when the original criminal investigation went awry.

No real "laws" are being compromised at this point. There are just University rules and NCAA rules that are in question. The most FSU can do is expel him. The most the NCAA can do is make him ineligible.

That said, there are actual Federal laws that may have been broken and actual government entities that may still be heard from before this is over. And all the Billy Joe Bob delays in the world wont get FSU around those.

Unfortunately, if FSU should somehow repeat and later have their title stripped, there is nothing that will stop the toothless wonders with their tommy hawk chops shouting "Lookie at this here shart wut sez we be champeuns!"

(Now I have to go retype this in all caps in case one of them comes to visit.)
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I didn't mean "laws" in the literal sense (although I do agree with you that there may have been violations of actual Federal laws as well). What I meant by "laws" was authority/rules/decency etc. That was just a poor choice of words on my part.
 
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While FSU's execution of this hearing doesn't break any laws, it does appear to break their own procedures.
It seems the civil courts will have ample time to explore all the laws that were possibly violated by various parties. Her lawyer has seemed rather glib about this whole hearing deal (in stark contrast to the apoplectic behavior of Winston's)... I think her side expects nothing to come of it and realize it's merely an exercise in damage control for the University (who will likely be a defendant by this time next year.) It's not even good damage control, however. Just went from "why did you shirk your responsibilities to conduct this hearing?" to "why did you wait 2 years to conduct this hearing and then conveniently postpone it another month?" I don't think FSU does anything either way, and I don't think having a geriatric good ol' boy as sole decider is beneficial compared to the contemporary students, professors, and administrators that'd normally hear the case and rule as a group.

The entire thing wreaks of desperation on FSU's part. Desperate for damage control against future lawsuit(s), and desperate to keep Jameis eligible through the inaugural playoff season.
 
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LostLassie said:
If I understood correctly, what I heard this morning was that the 10 days are based on something like business and/or school days...and since they go to Christmas break, it actually pushes the required revisionists time back to January. There is also a fine print statement to the effect "10 days or longer if required by circumstances." So, back to the fact that this whole twisted process could not possibly be any more insulting to the intelligence of virtually everyone outside of Dixie.

I really hate these people. But even more, I hate that we've come to this--that something that is seemingly so simple and obvious as the correct response to an accusation of rape can be contorted into the callous in-your-face flaunting of contempt for any semblance of law or justice...well, it just drives me to generate run-on sentences.
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Even more disgusting is when it works the other way: www.newyorker.com/magazine/2014/10/06/law-3

As dispicable as I think Jameis is, innocent until proven guilty is ALWAYS better.
 
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Oh8ch said:
"I can't believe that this situation is occurring in the United States. I could picture this happening in some corrupt Eastern European or South American country, but I can't believe that an American institution can so flagrantly disregard the law on a public level."

There is plenty or room for outrage, but that was more appropriate when the original criminal investigation went awry.

No real "laws" are being compromised at this point. There are just University rules and NCAA rules that are in question. The most FSU can do is expel him. The most the NCAA can do is make him ineligible.

That said, there are actual Federal laws that may have been broken and actual government entities that may still be heard from before this is over. And all the Billy Joe Bob delays in the world wont get FSU around those.

Unfortunately, if FSU should somehow repeat and later have their title stripped, there is nothing that will stop the toothless wonders with their tommy hawk chops shouting "Lookie at this here shart wut sez we be champeuns!"

(Now I have to go retype this in all caps in case one of them comes to visit.)
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That's an insult to Eastern Europe and South America; I think even those countries have higher standards of honesty, integrity and ethics than that. Now what Free Shoes is doing is more what you would expect to happen in countries like Iran or North Korea though.

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kujirakira said:
While FSU's execution of this hearing doesn't break any laws, it does appear to break their own procedures.
It seems the civil courts will have ample time to explore all the laws that were possibly violated by various parties. Her lawyer has seemed rather glib about this whole hearing deal (in stark contrast to the apoplectic behavior of Winston's)... I think her side expects nothing to come of it and realize it's merely an exercise in damage control for the University (who will likely be a defendant by this time next year.) It's not even good damage control, however. Just went from "why did you shirk your responsibilities to conduct this hearing?" to "why did you wait 2 years to conduct this hearing and then conveniently postpone it another month?" I don't think FSU does anything either way, and I don't think having a geriatric good ol' boy as sole decider is beneficial compared to the contemporary students, professors, and administrators that'd normally hear the case and rule as a group.

The entire thing wreaks of desperation on FSU's part. Desperate for damage control against future lawsuit(s), and desperate to keep Jameis eligible through the inaugural playoff season.
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This is really just like PSU 2.0. The charges aren't as bad, but the corruption of the city and the athletic department running the school are right on track. I'm sure this delay will be noted by the US DOE. Even if it was agreed upon by both parties, the University was in no place to postpone the hearing, they are already about 20 months late by the feds standards.
 
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ScriptOhio said:
That's an insult to Eastern Europe and South America; I think even those countries have higher standards of honesty, integrity and ethics than that. Now what Free Shoes is doing is more what you would expect to happen in countries like Iran or North Korea though.

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Good points. Also, let's not forget that EE and SA probably have higher literacy rates and less crime than the Floridian Panhandle.
 
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