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Is this the best class ever

I really hope all of this excitement carries through to B-ball season. I hate hearing about how the Schott had empty seats, or it's not a tough place to play, or St. Johns was louder/harsher/more intimidating. Hopefully, this is the shot in the arm that the fans need too.

It would also help tv coverage up here in the Cleveland area. Last year, I had to get internet updates for more than half of the games.
 
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I live in coverage area for these teams long before OSU: ND, Ill, MSU, Purdue, IU, UM...

and back when we were good at the turn of the millenium we were on TV a decent amount.

This year our team will win 25 games and beat out MSU for the Big Ten title... in my opinion... we have the talent to do it (starting lineup returning plus Mayes and Lewis) and the Big Ten will be down next year.

That will only build up a foundation for the explosion in 06.
 
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Oh8ch said:
What is really sick is that we could end up with the #2 class this season.

NC already has the #1 rated PG and SG and are Medium to High Interest for the #1 PF, #2 PF, #2 C. #3 PG, - aw-hell - it just goes on and on - and includes Thaddeus Young.
im definitely not saying that this class will be better than ours, but texas could have the chance at an insane class too. they have already landed the nations #2 player and are medium with Thaddeus Young(like many other schools) and high with the #10 and #18 players. this by no means would be a terrible class either.

fortunately, if UNC does land that kind of class, we still have the better coach. Roy Williams could be the most overrated coach ever. he had all the talent in the world with Kansas and failed every year to win a championship with them. luckily, he had 4 top 15 picks on his team last year to finally win him the ring. hopefully, our class can do the same for Matta!
 
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jwinslow said:
That will only build up a foundation for the explosion in 06.
That's what I'm hoping for too. Not only for the obvious reason (that I want the Bucks to win), but also for the TV coverage. I think if the Bucks have a strong 05/06 season, the coverage will be much improved in the 06/07 season.

By the way JW, you need to add a JC to your little avatar saying dealeo.:wink2:
 
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Oden is what makes this class-a dominant true center is the Holy Grail of hoops recruiting. You can talk all you want about PF's and swingmen-a real center is it. Cook and Lighty are both explosive wing players who deserve their ranking, however, guys like them are a dime a dozen every year in the elite ranks of HS hoops-Top 25, let us say. A true center like Oden-not some 6'11 225 PF who shoots 35% from 3 point range in HS-is a rare and valuable commodity. Eddy Curry is probably the last HS talent comparable to Oden in playing style. If Oden is all he is cracked up to be-Mr. Matta will have a very enjoyable 2006-07 season.
 
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Just remember guys...the "Fab Five" produced on the court.

I am as excited as anyone, but I think Cook, Lighty, Conley and Oden would be the first ones to tell you that nothing matters until their first collegiate game.
 
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OilerBuck said:
Just remember guys...the "Fab Five" produced on the court.

I am as excited as anyone, but I think Cook, Lighty, Conley and Oden would be the first ones to tell you that nothing matters until their first collegiate game.
Hey enough with the reality check :-p We're talking recruiting class ranking tho, and you usually judge that on signing day since coaches can't predict the future.

On paper, the Fab Five cannot compete with the Thad 5 (which will include Tucker for the 5th plus Josh C)...
 
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also dont forget about duke this year- based on scouts rankings:

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C (3) Brian Zoubek
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SG (5) Jon Seyer

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PF (1) Brandan Wright or

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PF (5) Lance Thomas


For UNC, they have:
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PG (1) Tywon Lawson
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SF (NR) William Graves

but they're also in on Brandan Wright and a lot of other 5-stars, so there's competition for the #1 class.
 
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Per Rivals

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C (1) Greg Oden
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SG (2) Daequan Cook
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SG (4) David Lighty
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PG (7) Mike Conley
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SF (30) Josh Chichester


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SG (8) Gerald Henderson
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SG (11) Jon Seyer
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At the moment, unless UNC lands Thadeus Young, or two other big time players this isnt really close. Remember we are also in on a 5 star, and two more 4 stars ourselves.
 
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When you consider the fact that Duke and UNC are expected to bring in this caliber of players, we might not have the BEST overall class (which, if we don't, I don't want it!, and we are not done....) but we have the most potential. If tOSU class of '06 goes on to win anything, it would have to be considered a success/turnaround. If Duke/UNC goes on to win anything, it would have to be considered business as usual/job saving. The only problem here is, (I might be way wrong) I think Coach K and RoyW would trade what they have coming in for what we have coming in. How could they not? Hell, the Warriors, Clippers, Lakers, Cavs...etc...would all LOVE to have Oden coming in next year. That means a lot. If we don't rank up there with scUM's fab 5, then that's fine with me. But 6-8 years from now, no one will be in court to discuss how they got there, or how much $$$, or the cars they drove. This is the beginning of something beautiful at OSU, and we all have Geiger/Matta to thank (not necessarily in that order, but sort of). So, my question is, will Gene Smith have the gumption to turn this class into the reason why he puts the students on the floor? My first game at the Schott as a student, I had to wait to hear the echo from the PA to figure out who just scored. Nosebleed. It's time we got loud and reflect the direction that our program is heading. Go Bucks!
 
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Ohio State's Class of 2006 has a chance to join the debate for best ever. Other contenders for the crown:

Indiana, 1972
Scott May, Quinn Buckner, Bobby Wilkerson, Tom Abernethy, Jim Crews -- last unbeaten season in 1976

Michigan, 1991
Chris Webber, Juwan Howard, Jalen Rose, Jimmy King, Ray Jackson -- reached two NCAA finals before breaking up

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J.J. Redick, Shavlik Randolph, Shelden Williams, Sean Dockery -- reached 2004 Final Four

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Sean May, Raymond Felton, Rashad McCants -- won 2005 NCAA championship

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By Jeff Rabjohns
<SCRIPT language=JavaScript><!--document.write(''+'jeff.rabjohns'+'@'+'indystar.com'+'');//--></SCRIPT>[email protected]



Though Ohio State's recruiting class isn't complete, it already has a nickname: the Thad Five.

Never mind that only four players have orally committed to play for the Buckeyes and coach Thad Matta. With Lawrence North High School teammates Greg Oden and Mike Conley heading to Ohio State, the Buckeyes are lining up an incoming class for 2006-07 that is being mentioned with the best of all time.

Oden is the No. 1 player in the Class of 2006; the other three who plan to join him are also among the highest ranked in the nation.

Shooting guard Daequan Cook of Dayton, Ohio, is No. 8; shooting guard David Lighty of Cleveland is No. 21; and Conley, a point guard, is No. 26, according to scout.com.

"This is shaping up to be one of the best recruiting classes in the history of Ohio State and certainly in my estimation could be better than the Fab Five class," said Bob Gibbons, who has been scouting and ranking high school basketball players for more than two decades.

The standard of reference in college basketball recruiting is the Fab Five, which entered Michigan in the fall of 1991.

Chris Webber, Juwan Howard, Jalen Rose, Jimmy King and Ray Jackson all started by the end of their freshman year. They reached consecutive national title games, losing to Duke in 1992 and to North Carolina in 1993, before the group broke up as players began heading to the NBA.

Whether that is the best class is one of those never-ending sports debates, but it is the most well-known. Ohio State now is on the verge of matching or even surpassing it.

The Buckeyes have three more scholarships available, and the current thinking in basketball circles is that the four players already committed will be a magnet for others.

"We could be talking about a super six or sensational seven," Gibbons said.

No matter who else joins, Ohio State's Class of 2006 already has an enormous buzz in basketball circles.

"It really is amazing, and they're not done; that's the scary thing," said Rob Matera of rivals.com.

Oden is the headliner. He is considered one of the best high school players ever to head to college. He has been compared to Lew Alcindor (later Kareem Abdul-Jabbar), who was a star at Power Memorial in New York before going to UCLA, and former Celtics great Bill Russell.

Oden was projected as the No. 1 pick in the 2006 NBA draft until new rules were adopted that bar players from the draft until they are at least one year out of high school.

"When you think of him as a college player, this is a guy if you put him on a team that would finish in the middle of a league, it automatically becomes a contender to win the league and go to the Sweet Sixteen," said Dave Telep of scout.com. "You package him with the quality of Cook and Conley and the athleticism of Lighty, and the expectations of your program rise."

On paper, the class needs a power forward. Ohio State has been recruiting 6-8 Thaddeus Young of Memphis, the No. 5 player in the 2006 class. Raymar Morgan, a 6-7 forward from Canton, Ohio, ranked No. 49, has the Buckeyes high on his list. Gary West's Jamil Tucker, a 6-9 forward ranked No. 54, has stated his interest in playing for Ohio State.

There also has been talk connecting Ohio State and Vernon Macklin, a 6-9 forward ranked No. 10, from Portsmouth, Va.

The group should have some cohesiveness immediately. Oden and Conley, in addition to being high school teammates, are on the same AAU team with Cook.

So how good can this group be?

"With Thad Matta coaching, I feel we can get as far as the national championship," Conley said.

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Where the players were ranked in two of the most heralded classes of all time:

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The 2006 class will be great, but they may not be the best class in Ohio State history. Remember the class that included Jerry Lucas, John Havlivek, Mel Nowell, Gary Gearhart, and Bobby Knight. In three years (freshman weren't eligible back then) they played in the NCAA finals three times winning once. Note: These guys stayed in school for 4 years and graduated.

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Another interesting article on these guys:

Buckeyes roll behind Lucas - 1960
By Joe Gergen
For The Sporting News


They formed the best and the brightest recruiting class in Ohio State basketball history. As freshmen, they routinely scored 100 points or more in a restricted schedule, and twice they defeated the varsity in closed scrimmages.

It was by no means unusual for thousands to stream out of St. John Arena after the preliminary game even as the varsity was about to take on a Big Ten Conference opponent.

Foremost among the newcomers was Jerry Lucas, a 6-foot-8 center who had led Middletown High School to two Ohio championships. His team's only loss in three years was a one-point decision to Columbus North in his final game. Such was his good fortune, however, that he made the acquaintance of a Columbus North cheerleader who would later become his wife.

In addition to being an excellent shooter, Lucas was a skilled passer and superb rebounder particularly adept at starting the fast break. He rarely shot when it wasn't for the good of the team, was unfailingly polite and had been a straight-A student in high school.

Lucas' priorities were such that he sought and received an academic scholarship rather than a basketball grant. Lucas said he chose Ohio State because it was the only major school to stress education in its recruiting pitch.

"All the others talked only about basketball," he said.

The youngster had a photographic mind that enabled him to commit anything that interested him to memory. Lucas could recount how many telephone poles there were to a mile on the highway, how many steps he had to climb in the dormitory and each classroom building and all the cards that had been played in a hand. He could recite a long list of numbers, forward and backward.

"About the only time he did study," said John Havlicek, his roommate, "was the night before an exam. Then he'd stay up all night and wind up with a great mark."

In his freshman year, in the College of Commerce, Lucas took 50 percent more than the normal workload and averaged just below a straight-A.

Lucas would have been the centerpiece of whatever program he joined. But he was only one of several all-stars in his class at Ohio State. Havlicek, a scholastic football talent, was a 6-5 forward who excelled on defense.

Mel Nowell was a 6-2 guard with extraordinary offensive gifts. Gary Gearhart and Bob Knight both had been exceptional scorers in high school.

It didn't take coach Fred Taylor long to realize the future did not lie with the nucleus of the 1959 Ohio State team, his first varsity squad. That year he installed an offense to take advantage of Lucas' abilities, even though he wouldn't be available until the following season.

"We put in the whole kit and caboodle," the coach conceded later. "The boys learned the offense just the way we were going to play it with Lucas in 1960."

Lucas was an instant starter in his sophomore year, and Nowell also earned a starting berth alongside junior Larry Siegfried in the backcourt. Although Havlicek didn't start his first varsity game, he replaced an injured player in that game and remained in the lineup thereafter. The fifth starter was forward Joe Roberts, a senior.

After early-season losses at Utah and Kentucky, the Buckeyes tore through the Big Ten. They compiled a 13-1 conference record, losing only to Indiana (a team they had edged earlier in the season).

The league title meant an automatic berth in the 1960 NCAA Tournament. It was the school's first NCAA appearance since 1950 when, with Fred Taylor at center, Ohio State was defeated by eventual champion City College of New York by a single point.

"We immediately developed almost total communication on the floor," Havlicek said. "Our basketball intellects meshed perfectly. We never had to call a play. The offense was geared on keys and movement. You never saw us running down the floor holding up two or three fingers, or heard us calling out plays."

Lucas threw the outlet pass as well as anyone in basketball, and the Buckeyes were able to overwhelm many of their opponents with the fast break. They moved the ball without excessive dribbling and rarely took a bad-percentage shot. In fact, Lucas led the nation in 1960 with 63.7 percent field-goal accuracy.

Ohio State was ranked third nationally preceding the NCAA Tournament, trailing only Oscar Robertson's Cincinnati team and defending national champion California. (The Bearcats were ranked No. 1 by the Associated Press; Cal headed the United Press International poll.)

There was little suspense in any of the four regionals. The Buckeyes battered Western Kentucky, 98-79, and Georgia Tech, 86-69, in the Mideast to qualify for the Final Four in San Francisco. Cincinnati and California also won handily in the Midwest and Far West, respectively. The three top clubs were joined by New York University, surprise conqueror of West Virginia and Duke in the East Regional.

NYU was no match for Ohio State in the first national semifinal at the Cow Palace. The Violets were nervous at the outset and never found their composure. They bowed, 76-54, in a game that impressed few in the crowd.

Cincinnati and Cal staged a significantly better game in the second half of the doubleheader. The Bearcats, expecting to reverse their semifinal loss to Cal the previous year, opened a 20-11 lead midway through the first half. But the Golden Bears seized the advantage before halftime and held on in the second half.

Two baskets by Earl Shultz following Bearcats errors in the closing two minutes sealed the 77-69 victory and thwarted Robertson in his final attempt at winning an NCAA title. The Big O had to settle for a third consecutive scoring title as a memento of his last collegiate season.

The final attraction pitted the national leaders in offense and defense. Ohio State averaged 90.4 points per game. Playing just across the Bay from Berkeley and appearing in the NCAA championship game for a second consecutive year, the Golden Bears were favored.

Cal had lost three starters from the 1959 title team, but 6-10 center Darrall Imhoff had developed into a consensus All-American, 6-4 junior Bill McClintock was a fine rebounder and the entire team exercised the self-restraint demanded by Pete Newell.

There appeared to be no team in America better suited to combat Ohio State than California, which had won 28 of 29 games. The Buckeyes were 24-3.

Such was Newell's reputation for defense that Taylor had sought his advice the previous summer.

"My team last year had the worst defensive record in Ohio State's history," Taylor said of a club that yielded 122 points in one game and more than 90 points in four others. "I had to do something, and Pete's the best in the business at this. I asked him to help me and he did. He showed me everything. He confirmed some of my ideas and he gave me the courage to try things I was afraid were too radical.

"Last year, our boys couldn't have caught Marilyn Monroe in a phone booth."

So smooth and efficient was the Buckeyes offense that Ohio State rarely was credited with good defense. But on the night of the championship game, the Buckeyes played superbly at both ends of the court. In the first half, they took 19 shots and hit a remarkable 16. Lucas sank 5-of-6, Havlicek 2-of-4 and the other three starters -- Roberts, Nowell and Siegfried -- made a combined 9-of-9 attempts.

Just as impressive, the Buckeyes held Cal to a shooting mark below 30 percent. Imhoff, who had scored 25 points in the victory over Cincinnati, was shackled by Lucas inside. The score at halftime was 37-19.

Cal fans were accustomed to their team falling behind, although not by this margin. Still, the Bears' press was a potent weapon, and Newell unleashed it at the start of the second half. The defending champions did cut into the deficit, outscoring Ohio State 10-5 and suggesting the possibility of a memorable comeback. But no sooner had the hope been raised than it was crushed by the Buckeyes.

There was an open man or two on the floor and Ohio State began to exploit the situation. The mismatches enabled the Buckeyes to roll up a 20-point lead. Taylor began sending in reserves with five minutes left. All five regulars scored in double figures, topped by Lucas' 16 points, and the starters sank 75 percent of their floor shots (27-of-36).

Cal never was able to run its offense, to display the patience for which it was famous. Imhoff scored only eight points, and none of the Bears had more than 11.

"I used many of Pete's ideas," Taylor said after the Buckeyes' 75-55 triumph, "and they paid off for us tonight." The defeat marked the last game as Cal coach for Newell, who was retiring to become the school's athletic director. But he did have the satisfaction that summer of coaching the U.S. Olympic team to a gold medal in Rome. The stars of that team included Lucas and Robertson.

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The other amazing thing is that OSU bball wasn't ranked in 59 or 58 before they brought these guys in... truly an incredible haul.

Here's to hoping our guys begin to remind OSU of that class, both in talent and character (ok maybe we can skip knight, but Lucas and I think Havlicek were class acts).
 
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