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I HOPE this is just a rumour. What is he 38 or 39 now? Hasn't played in 6-7 years now? Don't do it Barry, leave well enough alone. :2004:
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I didn't want to get involved but this is a point this can't be ignored (in parenthesis, # of Pro Bowls only between 1991-1999):
This also doesn't take into account the amazing defense that Dallas had during those years. Remember, offense sells tickets, defense wins championships. A great defense takes an enormous amount of pressure off of an offense (see Ohio State Buckeyes, 2002 National Champions).
- Daryl Johnston, FB (2)
- Troy Aikman, QB (6)
- Michael Irvin, WR (5)
- Alvin Harper, WR (0)
- Jay Novacek, TE (5)
- Mark Tuinei, T (2)
- Erik Williams, T (3, plus one year not named to Pro Bowl but named to the All-Pro team by the media)
- Nate Newton, G (6)
- Larry Allen, G, T (5)
- Ray Donaldson (2) & Mark Stepnoski, C (3)
- Lomas Brown, T (6)
- Herman Moore, WR (4)
- Kevin Glover, C (3)
This also doesn't take into account the amazing defense that Dallas had during those years. Remember, offense sells tickets, defense wins championships. A great defense takes an enormous amount of pressure off of an offense (see Ohio State Buckeyes, 2002 National Champions).
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lvbuckeye
Silver Surfer
AT HIS POSITION, yes. without a doubt...BuckStocksHere said:
hmm... Emmit played with other H.O.F.ers, on Super Bowl winning teams... as did Walter Payton... as did Jim Brown (well, he won NFL Titles, not his fault there wasn't a Super Bowl back then)... which is a FAR CRY from the garbage teams that Barry Sanders Played on... let's see Emmit rush for 2,000 on that shithole team in Detriot... I DON'T THINK SO... Sanders rushed for 15,000 yards in NINE seasons (only stands to reason he would have broken the all time record in his tenth- MUCH sooner than Emmit, even though Emmit had the better supporting cast)... it took Emmit 13 seasons, all the while surrounded by some of the best talent in the League, to reach those lofty numbers...BuckStocksHere said:
all great QBs... but i think it's unfair, once again to compare Super Bowl Winners, who were surrounded by talent to Barry's situation... or to put it like this, how would they have fared if the roles had been reversed? Marino? i dunno... for all those yards, he certainly couldn't get the Wins when they counted the most...BuckStocksHere said:
BuckStocksHere said:
fair enough... i just wonder how high the bar would be set if Detriot had actually sacked up and got some talent to help Barry... what if Barry played 15 seasons instead of nine? how many yards would have have then? 22,000? 23?... his only knock is that he played for a shitty team... put him behind Dallas' O-line from Championship years, and he would probably run for 2,500 yards in a season...
and think about Barry in College! all he did was rush for 2,628 yards and 37 touchdowns in TEN GAMES during his Heisman run!!! that's the kind of numbers that NFL talent puts up in HIGH SCHOOL... and he did it against major college talent... and if you add the Bowl Game, he had over 2900 yards and 41 TDs in just 11 games... astounding!!!
nope... no way was anyone ever better than Barry... the stats back that up...
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High Lonesome
Hook 'Em
"...put him behind Dallas' O-line from Championship years, and he would probably run for 2,500 yards in a season..."
I don't know that Barry would have done any better than emmitt on that team. The cowboys built their team based around emmits straight ahead style. Barry, who without a doubt is one of the greatest, was not a straight ahead type of guy. Players like emmitt get put down because of their style all the time. Most recently it has been curtis martin, even ced benson on the college level. They are not flashy but they are the epitome of consistant. Hank Aaron comes to mind for a baseball example. It will always be the chicken or the egg arguement, did emmitt look great because of his line or did he make his line look great. The truth is somewhere in the middle. The fact is though, Emmitt put up some amazing numbers and belongs right in the middle of any GOAT discussion.
I don't know that Barry would have done any better than emmitt on that team. The cowboys built their team based around emmits straight ahead style. Barry, who without a doubt is one of the greatest, was not a straight ahead type of guy. Players like emmitt get put down because of their style all the time. Most recently it has been curtis martin, even ced benson on the college level. They are not flashy but they are the epitome of consistant. Hank Aaron comes to mind for a baseball example. It will always be the chicken or the egg arguement, did emmitt look great because of his line or did he make his line look great. The truth is somewhere in the middle. The fact is though, Emmitt put up some amazing numbers and belongs right in the middle of any GOAT discussion.
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BuckStocksHere
Semper Fi!
!!!!lvbuckeye said:
Great point. Two completely different runners.High Lonesome said:
I've always said that Barry was the greatest runner. Emmitt was the greatest running back.
One other big problem I have with Barry is this:
You DO NOT pull a running back(who you call the greatest ever) out when you need him the most, at the goal line. You simply cannot be the greatest ever if you can't slam it in to complete the feat. Getting pulled out of the game for the likes of some stiff FB to pound it in through the behemoths doesn't constitute the greatest ever. There should be NO point that you pull the greatest ever out. Other than a breather here and there. If he is that great you leave him in.
That was not Barry's game..he was finesse. And damn fine at it too. But I'll take the N-S guy over the E-W guy every time.
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lvbuckeye
Silver Surfer
hmm... i seem to remember someone winning TWO Heisman Trophies who fits that description to a Tee... i'm pretty sure he held the all time college rushing record for about 20 years or so as well...BuckStocksHere said:
do the names Archie Griffin and Pete Johnson ring any bells?
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luckobucko
Robust T
Perhaps Barry wants to come back and claim the rushing yards title (which he should rightfully have.) The fact he has been out of the game for so long could mean he is completely healthy and ready to play for a winner..
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Pretty sure Barry got 222 in his last bowl game, to end the season at 2,850.lvbuckeye said:
But it was clearly the best season a running back ever had in major college football.
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Ask any player that played during Barry's tenure and they will tell you Barry Sanders was by far the greatest running back, runner or whatever else you wanna call it. Barry was a finesse (E-W) runner with the Lions because he had to be. He didn't have 5 pro-bowl lineman and a pro-bowl FB every year to open holes big enough to drive a mack truck through. Barry never really even had a FB to run behind.Watch his highlights while he was at OSU. (not tOSU) There was not near as much dancing around and making defensive guys look like fools. If Barry would have had the same quality line and supporting cast as Emmitt did... the rushing record would be far out of anyone's reach. Look at it this way, you couldn't set your defense up to stop Emmitt because Aikman had too many weapons and talent. Defenses were set up to stop Barry because no one was afraid of Rodney Pete, Andre Ware, Scott Mitchell etc... Yet he still tore it up. Every yard he gained, he gained on his own. I would have to think long and hard about putting Emmitt in the top 4 ever. I know my top 3 would be #1 Barry Sanders #2 Jim Brown #3 Walter Payton (another guy that played on some pretty crappy offenses) After that theres O.J., Gayle Sayers, Emmitt Smith.
Saying Emmitt is the best ever is kind of like saying Phil Jackson is the best basketball coach ever. He has had the best players around him which is why he has the numbers he has.
Saying Emmitt is the best ever is kind of like saying Phil Jackson is the best basketball coach ever. He has had the best players around him which is why he has the numbers he has.
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illinoisbuckeye
Heisman
he should rightfully have it but it was his choice to retire. at his age and being away from that game for so long, with all the speed and strength of the young guys playing these days, he will not have a shot at the record.luckobucko said:
i hope he stays retired as one of the best ever. i hate it when athletes are out of their "prime" decide they want to come back. it may be for love of the game but i would rather they just retire. i hated when jordan came back espicially since he went out as the best ever and a winner and came back to a bunch of loses.
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Barry was the greatest back of his era. I don't even see how this is a debate. Smith was a damn good back too, but I'd take Barry in his prime over Emmit in his EVERY SINGLE TIME.
Barry essentially did it all on his own, Emmit had more than a little help.
If Barry played a few more years, he'd be your alltime rushing leader. Jim Brown may have been better, but Barry is a close second, if he's not first.
Barry essentially did it all on his own, Emmit had more than a little help.
If Barry played a few more years, he'd be your alltime rushing leader. Jim Brown may have been better, but Barry is a close second, if he's not first.
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If Dickerson had kep his Yap Shut, and stayed in LA... or just kep his Yap shut and actually played in Indy... talk about a guy who got yards in a shit ass offense... then maybe Barry still doesn't have the record... or Emmit...
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