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Yep, a lot of this is happening at Ohio State right now. OSU is maybe 3-5 years behind UW but the similarities are there. 56% of the freshmen in 2005 had an ACT 26 or above. 86% graduated in the top 30% of their class. A lot of well-qualified students are faced with the option of starting out at a branch campus.

The only thing I haven't seen yet is a push towards more out-of-state students. I don't have the numbers but I believe at least 3/4 of the incoming students are Ohio residents.
 
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CleveBucks said:
Yep, a lot of this is happening at Ohio State right now. OSU is maybe 3-5 years behind UW but the similarities are there. 56% of the freshmen in 2005 had an ACT 26 or above. 86% graduated in the top 30% of their class. A lot of well-qualified students are faced with the option of starting out at a branch campus.

The only thing I haven't seen yet is a push towards more out-of-state students. I don't have the numbers but I believe at least 3/4 of the incoming students are Ohio residents.
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We, by Big Ten standards, still have a pretty low percentage of out of state students at around 15%. Illinois has the lowest at 10%. Indiana and Iowa are fairly high, but the number is misleading because the majority of their out of state students are kids from the Chicago suburbs that were rejected by Illinois. The old joke goes, "what do you call a kid from the Chicago suburbs that couldn't get into Illinois? Hoosier."

I'd like to see Ohio State get up to around 25%, which is a fair number. That extra 15% would generate an extra 65 million dollars in tuition every year, which would take some of the tuition pressure off of in-state students; although I don't think that they should be let in with lower qualifications just because they pay more tuition. That kind of surprised me about Wisconsin. The down side, of course, is that there'd be room for 1,000 fewer in-state students every year, but geographic distribution does make for a more interesting student body.

Of course you can take things too far like Fredo(OH) does because they want to pretend that they're a private university. Then again, I've seen the raw data, and the only way they can keep up with us on admissions selectivity is by trolling every suburb in the midwest for ND and Michigan rejects. Top 10% Ohio kids are choosing Ohio State over Miami in record numbers. They've become such a safety school for wealthy out-of-state kids that their yield had dropped into the 20 percent range. They pushed it up to 31% this year but only by raising their acceptance rate to 78%. The 2006 freshman class should be the year that we once and for all give this myth of Miami being more selective than Ohio State a dirt nap.
 
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I have a strong disliking for MU and the attitude they have towards tOSU. I am sick and tired of hearing them say they are the Harvard of the midwest. That is a crock of shit. tOSU is ranked higher and is just as hard to get into.
 
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I have a strong disliking for MU and the attitude they have towards tOSU. I am sick and tired of hearing them say they are the Harvard of the midwest. That is a crock of shit. tOSU is ranked higher and is just as hard to get into.
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The reality is that Ohio State has always been ranked higher than Fredo(OH), including undergraduate rankings. They had a twenty year window in from the early sixties to early eighties when Jim Rhodes forced Ohio State to have open admissions, when they could say that they were more selective than Ohio State. Those days, however, are long gone.

What's really hilarious is how they cling to that twenty year old "public ivy" book like it's some holy gospel that negates every other ranking. In fact, it was the highly subjective opinion of one man and today is based on twenty year old data. Hell, they along with Vermont were only included over far more likely candidates such as Wisconsin, UCLA or Illinois so the book wouldn't just be a re-listing of the top ranked public universities. He included Fredo(OH) and Vermont as a controversey-creating, book-selling gimmick.

I often picture Fredo(OH) handing out copies of that book at freshman orientation. Then, the new freshman would all sit at long tables and furiously bob their heads over the book memorizing it like Pakistani peasants memorizing the koran at a Saudi funded religious school.

Fredo(OH) is like a cult. I'm convinced that the miami mentality is really one of insecurity You have all of these upper middle class kids that were rejected by their top choice schools going to Oxford, only to find out it's not even the highest ranked public university in its own state. Consequently, they spend the rest of their lives trying to convince anyone who'll listen that the rankings are wrong, and Fredo(OH) is really up there with Virginia or Cal.

Oh and Dude, "MU" is not the prefered nomenclature; "Fredo of Ohio", please.
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fourteenandoh said:
Got it, thanks! lol why fredo of ohio?
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Miami is like Fredo, the older and weaker brother in The Godfather, who forced to watch his younger sibling take charge becomes consumed by bitterness and jealousy. Driven by this jealousy and bitterness, Miami like Fredo Corleone will do everything possible to stab Ohio State in the back. Michigan may be our rival in sports, but believe me, there is no other university in the world that works harder to hold Ohio State back than Fredo(OH).

Did you know that in the fifties, we started their Ph.D programs for them. For the first ten years that somebody earned a Ph.D from Fredo(OH), it read "Miami University in conjunction with The Ohio State University." What was our reward? Jim Rhodes installed their president as the first chairman of the Ohio Board of Regents, and he spent the next decade enforcing Rhodes' dumbing down of Ohio State. It's kind of like Michael, who gave Fredo a casino in Vegas to run but still had to contend with his disloyalty and treachery.
 
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Miami is like Fredo, the older and weaker brother in The Godfather, who forced to watch his younger sibling take charge becomes consumed by bitterness and jealousy. Driven by this jealousy and bitterness, Miami like Fredo Corleone will do everything possible to stab Ohio State in the back. Michigan may be our rival in sports, but believe me, there is no other university in the world that works harder to hold Ohio State back than Fredo(OH).
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Do you have that description hotlinked to a button on your keyboard? And did somebody from Miami run over your dog?
 
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BayBuck said:
Do you have that description hotlinked to a button on your keyboard? And did somebody from Miami run over your dog?
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Growing up out west, I never heard of Fredo(OH) until I came to Ohio State.

As far as the term goes, I heard it from some people who work in development at Ohio State. They also told me quite a few instances of the things that Fredo(OH) does behind the scenes to try and f%$K Ohio State.
 
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ORD,

My parents pushed and pushed for me to go to Miami and I remember asking my mom why she liked it so much and her response was something like "it's a cute little school with academic power."

Due respect to my parents but I never heard of Miami (of Ohio) until I moved to Ohio and it barely carries any name recognition once you leave a five state immediate radius of Ohio.

Plus, the kids that left OSU and graduated from Miami talked about how great the school was. What made it great? Smaller classes and teachers that care so much they call your house if you miss a class or two.

Uh great, so the Miami experience doesn't differ much from high school? :roll1:
 
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ekeen said:
ORD,

Plus, the kids that left OSU and graduated from Miami talked about how great the school was. What made it great? Smaller classes and teachers that care so much they call your house if you miss a class or two.

Uh great, so the Miami experience doesn't differ much from high school? :roll1:
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Good point, Ekeen. It's like an overgrown prep school. For some, that may be important. I didn't need my head stroked nor constantly told how wonderful I was. Ohio State professors are naturally going to have their attention divided between undergrads, graduate students and research. If one takes the time, however, to reach out to them and prove oneself, they get the benefit of working with nationally known faculty at a level that just doesn't exist at Fredo(OH).

My advisor was notoriously rough on undergrads, but if you proved yourself to him there was nothing he wouldn't do, including the offer to take graduate level seminars with his Ph.D candidates. He also edited one of the two major journals in his field (the other was edited by a Stanford prof). I never would have had the opportunity to work with that level of professor at Fredo(OH).
 
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Not going to get into a pissing match here, but you couldn't be more wrong about what it's like to have attended Miami. Some of the comments in this thread seem to identify the respective writers as having some of the negative characteristics they are attributing to Miami grads. The fact of the matter is that different people attend different schools for differenct reasons. I applied to and was accepted at many of the schools mentioned in this thread, but chose to go to Miami, who in fact offered me the smallest amount of scholarship money. Not everyone wants to attend such a large, urban school, and that has nothing to do w/ your perceived academic snobbery/ inferiority complex. Ironic that the name Fredo was chosen, because many of these posts scream "I'm Smart!". The hate isn't necessary because it is possible to be a huge Ohio State fan and choose to attend college elsewhere.
 
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I went to tOSU for undergrad, and commuted to MU for grad school, so I have a good perspective on both places. If someone wants a safe, homogenous, khaki-clad, "traditional" college environment-w/ a greater emphasis on undergraduate classes-go to Miami. I knew coming out of HS there was no way I wanted anything to do w/
Miami, and going there as a grad student was simply a matter of convenience. FWIW, I had several students tell me this year that they were going to Miami b/c it had a higher rate of acceptance to medical schools than tOSU or ND-Miami's main competitors at the HS I teach at.
OSU provides many, many more opportunities and fields of study, it also posesses an off campus environment that would make a lot of MU students shit their pants! I used to love telling stories about riots and crime and general insanity at OSU and watch the Miami people just gasp. OSU exposes one to the real world a LOT more than Miami, and ultimately, that is why I would recommend it over Miami, assuming of course the student did not want to major in agriculture or engineering or any of the programs that Miami does not have, and OSU excells in.......
 
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