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Indians Tidbits (2010 season)

buckeyemania11;1707963; said:
LaBusta 23 Strikeouts/21 Hits in 99 ABs

total fucking flop this guy is
Might be excusable if the guy was 22-23, not when he's 25 and was drafted out of college. Dude is a flop, I have no doubt. Hopfully Brantley does something or else the Sabathia trade was a major failure. With a probable future OF of LF-Weglarz, CF- Sizemore and RF- Choo...that might be a longshot. More Shapiro brilliance. Promote him!
 
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NFBuck;1707966; said:
Might be excusable if the guy was 22-23, not when he's 25 and was drafted out of college. Dude is a flop, I have no doubt. Hopfully Brantley does something or else the Sabathia trade was a major failure. With a probable future OF of LF-Weglarz, CF- Sizemore and RF- Choo...that might be a longshot. More Shapiro brilliance. Promote him!

But he traded Bartolo Colon for Cliff Lee, Grady Sizemore, and Brandon Phillips!!! That trade has to be worth at least another 3-4 years for the geniious GM title. It's funny everyone outside of Cleveland thinks Shapiro is a boy-wonder.
 
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billmac91;1708004; said:
But he traded Bartolo Colon for Cliff Lee, Grady Sizemore, and Brandon Phillips!!! That trade has to be worth at least another 3-4 years for the geniious GM title. It's funny everyone outside of Cleveland thinks Shapiro is a boy-wonder.

and sure enough the only one we still have is worthless now
 
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billmac91;1708004; said:
But he traded Bartolo Colon for Cliff Lee, Grady Sizemore, and Brandon Phillips!!! That trade has to be worth at least another 3-4 years for the geniious GM title. It's funny everyone outside of Cleveland thinks Shapiro is a boy-wonder.

he also got cabrera and choo by trading a couple of stiffs as well. also, cleveland got carlos santana for casey blake. by and large, shapiro's trades have been pretty good. cleveland's draft under his butt buddy mirabelli, and his FA signings on the other hand...
 
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tsteele316;1708066; said:
he also got cabrera and choo by trading a couple of stiffs as well. also, cleveland got carlos santana for casey blake. by and large, shapiro's trades have been pretty good. cleveland's draft under his butt buddy mirabelli, and his FA signings on the other hand...

Not trying to put any words in your mouth but he's made a lot of terrible moves outside of trades, but including trades as well.

Eh. Letting Phillips walk was idiotic. He chose a managers side over good talent, even when the talent was starting to show through. The Westbrook contract was terrible, IMO. Hafner was very risky, especially after taking a slider to the grill. Still hasn't recovered since that pitch, whether that is the pitch, or other things. I have no issue with the Carmona signing. I hated the CoCo trade, still do even though CoCo's career has fizzled since he left. The C.C., Victor, and Lee trades look brutal right now. Joe Borowski was a train-wreck waiting to happen no matter his save percentage. You knew it'd bite him in the ass, especially with an ERA over 4.

And the constant filling the roster with over-the-hill journeyman vs. letting young talent develop is a head-scratcher to me as well.

I guess my overall point, is most teams have at least a few solid prospects and players on their roster via trades. It's the nature of MLB baseball. He'd have to be the unluckiest SOB in the world to not have landed a solid prospect or two in all of the trades he's ever done. But I'm saying hindsight is painting a pretty poor picture right now on a lot of moves he's made. And it isn't all because of financial handicaps.
 
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billmac91;1708071; said:
Not trying to put any words in your mouth but he's made a lot of terrible moves outside of trades, but including trades as well.

Eh. Letting Phillips walk was idiotic. He chose a managers side over good talent, even when the talent was starting to show through. The Westbrook contract was terrible, IMO. Hafner was very risky, especially after taking a slider to the grill. Still hasn't recovered since that pitch, whether that is the pitch, or other things. I have no issue with the Carmona signing. I hated the CoCo trade, still do even though CoCo's career has fizzled since he left. The C.C., Victor, and Lee trades look brutal right now. Joe Borowski was a train-wreck waiting to happen no matter his save percentage. You knew it'd bite him in the ass, especially with an ERA over 4.

And the constant filling the roster with over-the-hill journeyman vs. letting young talent develop is a head-scratcher to me as well.

I guess my overall point, is most teams have at least a few solid prospects and players on their roster via trades. It's the nature of MLB baseball. He'd have to be the unluckiest SOB in the world to not have landed a solid prospect or two in all of the trades he's ever done. But I'm saying hindsight is painting a pretty poor picture right now on a lot of moves he's made. And it isn't all because of financial handicaps.

you aren't putting words in my mouth. i pretty much said shapiro was shoddy outside of trades. by the by, the westbrook contract wasn't bad at all at the time. about $10 million per for a guy that was a FOR type starter is a pretty good bargain. just think, when that deal was signed, westbrook was getting the same that gil freakin meche signed for.

siding with wedge on the phillips fiasco was retarded. so was playing guys like delluci and the heart break kid jason michaels over young guys.

of course, cleveland is trying the youth movement this year, and you see how that's going.
 
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