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Illinois Fighting Illini (you'll see)

OrangeRoughy;1433328; said:
How the hell is our record 9-11 against you guys in our last 20 games?

Maybe because that record goes back into the 80s, when you actually had some good teams (and OSU was at a relatively low point)? It's 10-4 OSU since '93, which actually doesn't hurt all that much. 2007, now that one hurt, but so did NW '04.
 
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OrangeRoughy;1433328; said:
How the hell is our record against you guys 9-11 in our last 20 contests?

the 9 games we have dropped to Illinois over the last twenty years were in:

'88 OSU 4-6-1-----Ill 6-5-1
'89 OSU 8-4------- Ill 10-2
'90 OSU 7-4-1-----Ill 8-4
'91 OSU 8-4 -------Ill 6-6
'92 OSU 8-3-1------Ill 6-5-1
'94 OSU 9-4--------Ill 7-5
'99 OSU 6-6 -------Ill 8-4
'01 OSU 7-5--------Ill 10-2
'07 OSU 11-2-------Ill 9-4

the Illinois wins mostly came from the late 80's and early 90's, not exactly the brightest spot in Ohio State football history, and other than '07 (and not being old enough to remember specifically) I don't see any year where Ohio State would have been heavily favored to win and was upset
 
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BayBuck;1433334; said:
Maybe because that record goes back into the 80s, when you actually had some good teams (and OSU was at a relatively low point)? It's 10-4 OSU since '93, which actually doesn't hurt all that much. 2007, now that one hurt, but so did NW '04.

Damn. I guess I'm still not a pain for anyone. :sad:

Some day I will matter. Some day I will have relevance! *shakes fist*

(Coincidentally, I think that day arrives about the same time as our AD comes to the realization that scheduling non-con games at Cincinnati, vs. Fresno State, and at a "neutral site" in Missouri against Mizzou - all in the same season - might not be the best way to build a program.)
 
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Buckeye86;1433344; said:
the 9 games we have dropped to Illinois over the last twenty years were in:

'88 OSU 4-6-1-----Ill 6-5-1
'89 OSU 8-4------- Ill 10-2
'90 OSU 7-4-1-----Ill 8-4
'91 OSU 8-4 -------Ill 6-6
'92 OSU 8-3-1------Ill 6-5-1
'94 OSU 9-4--------Ill 7-5
'99 OSU 6-6 -------Ill 8-4
'01 OSU 7-5--------Ill 10-2
'07 OSU 11-2-------Ill 9-4

the Illinois wins mostly came from the late 80's and early 90's, not exactly the brightest spot in Ohio State football history, and other than '07 (and not being old enough to remember specifically) I don't see any year where Ohio State would have been heavily favored to win and was upset

Yeah, I remember those years. Illinois was like the Wisconsin of today back then.
 
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Buckeye86;1433344; said:
the 9 games we have dropped to Illinois over the last twenty years were in:

'88 OSU 4-6-1-----Ill 6-5-1
'89 OSU 8-4------- Ill 10-2
'90 OSU 7-4-1-----Ill 8-4
'91 OSU 8-4 -------Ill 6-6
'92 OSU 8-3-1------Ill 6-5-1
'94 OSU 9-4--------Ill 7-5
'99 OSU 6-6 -------Ill 8-4
'01 OSU 7-5--------Ill 10-2
'07 OSU 11-2-------Ill 9-4

the Illinois wins mostly came from the late 80's and early 90's, not exactly the brightest spot in Ohio State football history, and other than '07 (and not being old enough to remember specifically) I don't see any year where Ohio State would have been heavily favored to win and was upset

However, if you factor out the game between OSU and UI, you get....


'88 OSU 4-5-1-----Ill 5-5-1
'89 OSU 8-3------- Ill 9-2
'90 OSU 7-3-1-----Ill 7-4
'91 OSU 8-3 -------Ill 5-6
'92 OSU 8-2-1------Ill 5-5-1
'94 OSU 9-3--------Ill 6-5
'99 OSU 6-5 -------Ill 7-4
'01 OSU 7-4--------Ill 9-2
'07 OSU 11-1-------Ill 8-4

Coop had a really tough time with Illinois early on in his OSU years. 91, 92, and 94 were all years where OSU had a markedly better record. I think those where the years, at least 94, when they had that nasty defense with Rice and Hardy as the linebackers. There was also the loss, 92 I think, where Eddie George fumbled 2 or 3 times as a true freshman. Ther were definitely a pain.

Even now, under-manned UI teams have given OSU a tough go of it in both 2002 (who didn't that year?) and 2006, as well as winning in 2007. They still rank up there with Wisconsin as a team I never look forward to OSU playing.
 
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OrangeRoughy;1433328; said:
If we're so, you know, Northern Illinois-y, then how the hell is our record against you guys 9-11 in our last 20 games?

Wait - that's an excellent question I've come up with right here. We were downright awful from 1995-2006, going a combined 46-90. How the hell is our record against you guys 9-11 in our last 20 contests? Over the same time frame, with the same players, we're 3-16-1 vs. Michigan and 8-12 against effing Northwestern.

How the hell is our record 9-11 against you guys in our last 20 games? I guess I never realized just how thorn-in-the-side-y were are to the Buckeyes until just now. Maybe that's why it took so long for you guys to like me around here. I represent pain.

Cool. I'm an Illinois football fan. I never represent pain.

I'm not talking historically. I'm talking about this past decade. NIU has gone to bowls and been a consistently solid MAC team. They've also probably sent more impact players to the NFL than Illinois has.

Illinois has had two good seasons, '01 and '07. They've been mostly god awful the rest of the time. NIU has gone to 4 bowls and only had a couple losing seasons.

I'd say NIU has clearly been a better program recently.
 
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OrangeRoughy;1433328; said:
If we're so, you know, Northern Illinois-y, then how the hell is our record against you guys 9-11 in our last 20 games?

Actually, you're 9-10 in our last 19 games (better percentage). Maybe that's because the first five of those 11 wins came in a 5-game stretch from 1988-1992.

Since you feel like talking shit, here are some numbers for ya: 61-30-4 (hint, our all-time record against you). Also, we're 56-19-2 against you from 1930 on. You've scored 40+ points against us four times...we've scored 40+ points against you 19 times. The most you've ever scored against us was 46 points (twice, in 1904 and 1999)...we've scored 46 or more against you five times. You haven't shut us out since 1959...we've shut you out eight times since that shutout (actually, should've been nine times save that blocked XP conversion you got in your 40-2 loss to us in 2005). Since your last shutout, you've held us to single digits in scoring twice (1966 and 1991), while we've held you to single digits 18 times. Hell, at least NIU scored 12 points on us at our place in 2006 while you managed only 10 on your home field.

Sort of makes you look pretty "Northern Illinois-y" now, doesn't it?
 
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OregonBuckeye;1433735; said:
I'm not talking historically. I'm talking about this past decade. NIU has gone to bowls and been a consistently solid MAC team. They've also probably sent more impact players to the NFL than Illinois has.

Sadly, this is correct. Sadly, under Joe Novak, NIU had a better eye for Chicago talent than Ron Turner or Lou Tepper did. Of course, that's not saying much. As I've said in this thread several times, if you ranked every Big Ten football coach in the last 20 years on "importance of recruiting in their coaching philosophy", Ron Turner would finish second to last and Lou Tepper would finish last. Both believe that their systems transcended talent. Both were horribly, horribly wrong. The only good years we had in their regimes was when we actually had some NFL talent on Tepper's D (Simeon Rice, Kevin Hardy, John Holocek, Dana Howard) and Turner's O (Kurt Kittner throwing to Brandon Lloyd, Greg Lewis, Walter Young, and Aaron Morehead).

This is perfectly exemplified by this stat...

NFL first round draft picks from the University of Illinois


Mackovic recruits:
Scott Davis (Raiders 1st round pick 1989)
Jeff George (Colts, 1st overall, 1990)
Henry Jones (Bills 1st round pick, 1991)
Brad Hopkins (Oilers 1st round pick, 1993)

Tepper recruits:
Simeon Rice (Arizona 1st round pick, 1996)
Kevin Hardy (Jacksonville 1st round pick, 1996)

Turner recruits:
(this space intentionally left blank)

15 years of the Tepper and Turner regimes... 2 NFL first rounders (and only 26 draft picks total). There are probably half a dozen MAC teams that can boast better numbers than that.

I'll put that another way. In 8 years of recruited players, Ron Turner sent 14 of them to the NFL draft. In the 2004 NFL draft alone, you guys sent 14.

Which is why I'm excited that Ron Zook is bringing in blue-chippers. Which is why I think our trajectory points upwards next year and beyond. Which is why I'm posting in the thread about Zook's recruiting.

Thanks. That was cathartic.
 
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OrangeRoughy;1434159; said:
Which is why I'm excited that Ron Zook is bringing in blue-chippers. Which is why I think our trajectory points upwards next year and beyond. Which is why I'm posting in the thread about Zook's recruiting.
your trajectory was supposed to be up last year as well, but you guys took a major step back from a BCS bowl and a 9 win season to a 5-7 record

that's always been the dig on Zook (from what I can tell) is that he brings in talent with the best of them but on gameday you never know what you are going to get

so while your trajectory is pointed in the general direction of up, you're in for a bumpy ride

given that you are one of the more reasonable posters I have seen, I imagine you know this and are prepared for it though
 
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Buckeye86;1435152; said:
your trajectory was supposed to be up last year as well, but you guys took a major step back from a BCS bowl and a 9 win season to a 5-7 record

FWIW, I did not think our trajectory was up last year. But again, you gotta look at this through orange and blue glasses, not scarlet and gray. We won 14 regular season games over 2 seasons? Pinch me.

Times that Illinois has won 14 regular season games over two seasons in the last 50 years:

07/08: 14 wins over two seasons
01/02: 15 wins
89/90: 16 wins
83/84: 17 wins
81/82: 14 wins
63/64: 14 wins

Do you have any idea what it is like to cheer for a team that is this inept? To look up at the scoreboard in 2005 and see "Penn State 56, Illinois 3" in the second quarter? To watch big-time Chicago recruits head across the border time and time and time and time and time again? Back to back seasons of 9-4 and 5-7? I'll take it. At least we were competitive last year (worst loss was by 17 at Northwestern against a schedule of 8 bowl teams).

But now I'm greedy. We have almost everyone back from that 5-7 season, including every skill player on offense. Instead of Big Ten road games at Michigan, PSU, Wiscy, and NW, our road slate includes tOSU, IU, Purdue, and Minny. Our frustrating offensive coordinator is gone. Our freshmen tackles are sophomores. And the turnover fairy can't be any more rude to us than she was last year when we went 408 minutes and 13 seconds from September to November without an interception.

At Illinois, opportunities like this don't come around very often, so I'm pushing all-in. I'm then planning on re-investing all of my winnings back into the program in hopes of attaining "consistent bottom-of-the-upper-tier Big Ten team that is a constant PITA to the top-level teams" status.

that's always been the dig on Zook (from what I can tell) is that he brings in talent with the best of them but on gameday you never know what you are going to get

so while your trajectory is pointed in the general direction of up, you're in for a bumpy ride

WANT.

A bumpy ride beats the hell out of 56-3.
 
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muffler dragon;1437114; said:
Beginning to wonder if it has to do with Orange on football teams. Browns, Bengals, the Bears have orange lettering, Syracuse, Illinois... etc. I guess Denver and Boise State aren't too bad.

I think you're onto something sir. It IS the color, but I think it's helmet related.
 
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