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[OrangeRoughy]

You really think he was trying to hurt the kid? Somebody who has never shown a side like that in his entire 3+ year career?

I'm not sure how you could look at the stills and the replay and not think that. Is this a serious post?

I think it impossible to look at this photo and not determine that he was trying to deliver a hit. Injure him? Who knows. But if he was really just trying to keep McGee from advancing the ball (nearly ridiculous in and of itself), A) his head wouldn't be down, and B) his arms would be involved.

 

[jwinslow]

I'm OK with that. We did the same thing against Illinois State two weeks ago, running another play from the 15 instead of taking a knee. But we ran the ball. And it wasn't 4th down. My theory is that the play call was a giant eff you from JT to his USC game detractors. And to the Justin Green recruitment. And to the 2007 Illini.

The only one who cares about Justin Green is the media member who tried to orchestrate drama with his question to Justin before the game. Ben Martin hurt. Tajh Boyd hurt. Cordale Scott hurt a tiny bit, but only because it was Glenville. Justin Green does not hurt. Not that he's not a good player, but OSU recruits and develops corners better than anyone in america.

And a coach who has always been open and honest (at least from my view 600 miles away) makes a statement about how Eddie McGee wasn't defenseless? Not premeditated - fine, I can agree with that. Not a defenseless player? I can't remember a situation of a more defenseless player than a QB with his arms wrapped up, in a pile, with his torso sticking out. It's absolutely implausible to me that Tressel could see that replay and then defend his player.

McGee was in a pile that was driving forward. It's Coleman's job to help stop the pile.

1:45, same thing. Juice isn't going to break free, but the pile is moving forward. Coleman comes in and smacks Juice.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPN7Sqy-sHc]YouTube - 2009 Ohio State vs Illinois Football (HD)[/ame]

The pile is driving forward, so Coleman comes in to finish the play.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-PTEr78pcs]YouTube - Kurt Coleman commits flagrant penalty vs. Illinois[/ame]

He hits him in a dangerous area, so he gets flagged and rightly so.

Seriously - think about it. A coach who has gone on the record before about going out of his way to not run up the score throws the ball on 4th down. A coach who has gone on the record before about playing deep into his reserves in a blowout has his senior captain on the field with :37 left, delivering a blow

OSU often plays their backups with a couple of veterans to help the youngsters along.

His grin says otherwise.

Coleman has that grin on his face after virtually every play, but keep assuming things.

 

[jwinslow]

I think it impossible to look at this photo and not determine that he was trying to deliver a hit. Injure him? Who knows. But if he was really just trying to keep McGee from advancing the ball (nearly ridiculous in and of itself), A) his head wouldn't be down, and B) his arms would be involved.

It's also pretty hard to tackle a guy at your ankles without diving down to get him. I'm not disputing the penalty, but Coleman came in and walloped Juice earlier in the game on a very similar play, as shown above. He was at shoulder height that time, so he ran through him and delivered a blow (not a wrap up tackle).

 

[muffler dragon]

Coleman has that grin on his face after virtually every play, but keep assuming things.

Same thing with Elway. Always grinning. For the supportive crowd, it was great. For those that hated Elway, it made him more smug.

 

[BuckeyeNation27]

I'm not sure how you could look at the stills and the replay and not think that. Is this a serious post?

I think it impossible to look at this photo and not determine that he was trying to deliver a hit. Injure him? Who knows. But if he was really just trying to keep McGee from advancing the ball (nearly ridiculous in and of itself), A) his head wouldn't be down, and B) his arms would be involved.

delivering a hit and trying to hurt him are two completely different things.

 

[OrangeRoughy]

Coleman has that grin on his face after virtually every play, but keep assuming things.

You are saying that Coleman's grin, and his subsequent yuk-it-up with Doug Worthington on the sideline, was merely a byproduct of his cheery disposition? Really? I mean, seriously?

Look, we're not going to agree. I'm an Illinois fan - my birthplace has led to my life being 27% less satisfying than yours - and you're an Ohio State fan. We won't agree, and we'll keep making statements slanted towards our view.

But Jim Tressel should be above that. And always has been. And can now eat a bag.

 

[eobuck]

I'm not sure how you could look at the stills and the replay and not think that. Is this a serious post?

I think it impossible to look at this photo and not determine that he was trying to deliver a hit. Injure him? Who knows. But if he was really just trying to keep McGee from advancing the ball (nearly ridiculous in and of itself), A) his head wouldn't be down, and B) his arms would be involved.

Looks like an Illini player (#52) has his head down and trying to deliver a blow as well. He just happened to miss.

 

[jwinslow]

You are saying that Coleman's grin, and his subsequent yuk-it-up with Doug Worthington on the sideline, was merely a byproduct of his cheery disposition?

You mean where Doug admonished him and Coleman admitted he shouldn't do that, but he was just in the moment? Or could you not hear assume all of that from your muted 4 second snapshot?

We won't agree, and we'll keep making statements slanted towards our view.

Which is perfectly fine.

But Jim Tressel should be above that. And always has been. And can now eat a bag [of dicks].

Which is completely unacceptable. Was I unclear before, or do you need a ban to learn how we do things here?

 

[BayBuck]

My theory is that the play call was a giant eff you from JT to his USC game detractors. And to the Justin Green recruitment. And to the 2007 Illini.

Justin Green? Seriously? You really are being a baby about this.

His grin says otherwise.

His grin says, "I just knocked the fuck out of the opposing QB and it felt good," a lot like his grin might say after any of big hits.

 

[BuckeyeNation27]

You are saying that Coleman's grin, and his subsequent yuk-it-up with Doug Worthington on the sideline, was merely a byproduct of his cheery disposition? Really? I mean, seriously?

Look, we're not going to agree. I'm an Illinois fan - my birthplace has led to my life being 27% less satisfying than yours - and you're an Ohio State fan. We won't agree, and we'll keep making statements slanted towards our view.

But Jim Tressel should be above that. And always has been. And can now eat a bag.

Usually one unclassy instance shouldn't be enough to cast a shadow over the otherwise classy career.....but I can actually see where you're coming from.

Coleman is normally classy, but he layed a flagrant hit on a QB who was already tackled......must be an asshole
Tressel is normally classy, but he didn't flog coleman with a bamboo cane the second it happened......he can eat a bag.
OrangeRoughy is normally a classy poster, but he's assuming and trashing Ohio State players/coaches.......he's now a complete douchebag.

 

[ochre]

I think the (regular/repeated) use of "led with the helmet" is a massively disingenuous turn of phrase for this particular event. The point and purpose of identifying something as "leading with the helmet" is to identify that solid head to head impact took place. From that (the proper) context, Coleman led with his freaking shoulder pads (maybe his helmet caught the QBs facemask a little, but the bulk of the contact was from the shoulderpads), hitting a guy that wasn't down yet. You can see in the video that when Coleman committed to the play the runner was still on his feet, partially obscured from Coleman's view by the players around him. Coleman tends to go in with his head down a little too much, which may have kept him from being able to react to the changes that had occurred since his initial commitment to the play. It's football; it was an aggressive mistake, but not overtly malicious. Play to the whistle.

 

[LordJeffBuck]

My theory is that the play call was a giant eff you from JT to his USC game detractors. And to the Justin Green recruitment. And to the 2007 Illini.

Yeah, and probably a giant eff you to Ron Zook, the Cryin' Illini football program, their whining bitchy fans, and the entire state of Illinois. So what? Whatcha gonna do about it? Learn to deal with adversity, for chrissakes....

If you want to blame anyone for the debacle on Saturday, then blame Zook (we told you so) for running a rogue, punk program that invites the big payback ... and while you're at it, blame yourself for buying into the hype. But you're not alone - I'm sure that a lot of Cryin' Illini fans are feeling like three-dollar whores after getting Zooked like that.

But Jim Tressel should be above that. And always has been.

And so should you - your cry baby act is really unbecoming.

And can now eat a bag.

Grab a bowl of pasta puttanesca and join him. Bon appetit!

 

[OrangeRoughy]

Was I unclear before, or do you need a ban to learn how we do things here?

A PM'd ban warning? For this? Seriously?

I'll save you the time and delete my bookmark. This makes me incredibly sad, as I've always pimped you guys wher'ere I go in college football internet land. And I always enjoyed the discussion. You needed me on that self-depricating-Illinois-fan wall.

Sorry Mili. I honestly had started saving pictures that make us look like the stumbling, bumbling football program that we are (and, apparently, always will be) for my "I lost the bet" post. What might have been.

I bid you adieu, gentlemen. Been real.

:(

 

[OSUsushichic]

Grab a bowl of pasta puttanesca and join him. Bon appetit!

NOM

 

[ochre]

His grin says, "I just knocked the fuck out of the opposing QB and it felt good," a lot like his grin might say after any of big hits.

Looked like it could have been a grin founded in "whoops I screwed up" type of embarrassment, perhaps with a touch of "damn, even though it's wrong, it feels good to lay someone out like that"