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Illinois Fighting Illini (you'll see)

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lopo89 said:
Lord Jeff Buck, here's a doozy. Do you remember making this post?
"Illinois under Zook should be a lot like Minnesota under Mason - they'll get a bunch of "second tier" recruits who never get offered by OSU, PSU, Michigan, Notre Dame, and might occasionally land a top-20 player from Ohio. Buckeye fans shouldn't worry too much. Now Iowa, on the other hand, might just see their Chicago pipeline dry up considerably now that Zook is running the show in Champaign."
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The only part of that statement thats true is the last one. Iowa's decline since Zook's hiring is not a coincidence.
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Yes, I remember making it, and I stand by it. What part, exactly, is not true? 2006 was Zook's first full recruiting class. Since then, Zook has landed the following players who had legit offers from Ohio State - Juice Williams, Martez Wilson, Josh Brent, and Cordale Scott. By my calculations, that's one per year ... and let's not forget that three of those kids were local players (Williams, Wilson, and Brent), and only one was from Ohio (Scott); Jeff Cumberland did not have an offer from Ohio State because he could not make it through admissions.

Since 2006, Zook has signed twelve players from Ohio. Here's a complete list, with Rivals' rankings:

Jeff Cumberland (2006): #11
Antonio James (2006): #30
Joe Morgan (2006): not ranked
Ryan Palmer (2006): not ranked
Brian Gamble (2007): #22
Daryle Ballew (2007): #33
Steve Matas (2007): #36
Enrique Robertson (2007): #42
Cordale Scott (2008): #15
Justin Staples (2008): #22
Whitney Mercilus (2008): #39
Ashante Williams (2008): not rated

Note: Mark Jackson (2007) played at a prep school in Ohio and was not listed as an Ohio recruit; as a senior in 2006, he was ranked #19 in the state, but signed with Akron, not Illinois. For those reasons, I am not including him in this discussion. Even if he were added, that would make three top-20 prospects, which is the exact same as the number of unranked signees.

So, in four years, Zook has beaten Ohio State head-to-head for three Illinois prospects, and one Ohio prospect; and Ohio State has beaten Illinois head-to-head for one Illinois prospect (Garrett Goebel), and every Ohio prospect whom they have offered except for Cordale Scott. In the same time, Zook has signed two Ohio prospects who were ranked in the top twenty, which seemingly qualifies as "occasionally land[ing] a top-20 player from Ohio."

While Zooker was busy signing Ohio players whom the Buckeyes wouldn't even look at, he wasn't exactly tearing it up in the home state: in 2006, Illinois signed only 3 of the top-10 players in state; in 2007, only 4 of the top-10; and in 2008, just 2 of the top-10, with the top four in-state prospects spurning the Illini (Garrett Goebel to Ohio State; Darius Fleming, Steven Filer, and Sean Cwynar to Notre Dame).

So, please, tell me how my statement was a "doozy"? Or are the facts getting in the way?
 
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LordJeffBuck;1149640; said:
Yes, I remember making it, and I stand by it. What part, exactly, is not true? 2006 was Zook's first full recruiting class. Since then, Zook has landed the following players who had legit offers from Ohio State - Juice Williams, Martez Wilson, Josh Brent, and Cordale Scott. By my calculations, that's one per year ... and let's not forget that three of those kids were local players (Williams, Wilson, and Brent), and only one was from Ohio (Scott); Jeff Cumberland did not have an offer from Ohio State because he could not make it through admissions.

Since 2006, Zook has signed twelve players from Ohio. Here's a complete list, with Rivals' rankings:

Jeff Cumberland (2006): #11
Antonio James (2006): #30
Joe Morgan (2006): not ranked
Ryan Palmer (2006): not ranked
Brian Gamble (2007): #22
Daryle Ballew (2007): #33
Steve Matas (2007): #36
Enrique Robertson (2007): #42
Cordale Scott (2008): #15
Justin Staples (2008): #22
Whitney Mercilus (2008): #39
Ashante Williams (2008): not rated

Note: Mark Jackson (2007) played at a prep school in Ohio and was not listed as an Ohio recruit; as a senior in 2006, he was ranked #19 in the state, but signed with Akron, not Illinois. For those reasons, I am not including him in this discussion. Even if he were added, that would make three top-20 prospects, which is the exact same as the number of unranked signees.

So, in four years, Zook has beaten Ohio State head-to-head for three Illinois prospects, and one Ohio prospect; and Ohio State has beaten Illinois head-to-head for one Illinois prospect (Garrett Goebel), and every Ohio prospect whom they have offered except for Cordale Scott. In the same time, Zook has signed two Ohio prospects who were ranked in the top twenty, which seemingly qualifies as "occasionally land[ing] a top-20 player from Ohio."

While Zooker was busy signing Ohio players whom the Buckeyes wouldn't even look at, he wasn't exactly tearing it up in the home state: in 2006, Illinois signed only 3 of the top-10 players in state; in 2007, only 4 of the top-10; and in 2008, just 2 of the top-10, with the top four in-state prospects spurning the Illini (Garrett Goebel to Ohio State; Darius Fleming, Steven Filer, and Sean Cwynar to Notre Dame).

So, please, tell me how my statement was a "doozy"? Or are the facts getting in the way?
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Schooled. :nerd:
 
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LordJeffBuck;1149640; said:
Yes, I remember making it, and I stand by it. What part, exactly, is not true? 2006 was Zook's first full recruiting class. Since then, Zook has landed the following players who had legit offers from Ohio State - Juice Williams, Martez Wilson, Josh Brent, and Cordale Scott. By my calculations, that's one per year ... and let's not forget that three of those kids were local players (Williams, Wilson, and Brent), and only one was from Ohio (Scott); Jeff Cumberland did not have an offer from Ohio State because he could not make it through admissions.

Since 2006, Zook has signed twelve players from Ohio. Here's a complete list, with Rivals' rankings:

Jeff Cumberland (2006): #11
Antonio James (2006): #30
Joe Morgan (2006): not ranked
Ryan Palmer (2006): not ranked
Brian Gamble (2007): #22
Daryle Ballew (2007): #33
Steve Matas (2007): #36
Enrique Robertson (2007): #42
Cordale Scott (2008): #15
Justin Staples (2008): #22
Whitney Mercilus (2008): #39
Ashante Williams (2008): not rated

Note: Mark Jackson (2007) played at a prep school in Ohio and was not listed as an Ohio recruit; as a senior in 2006, he was ranked #19 in the state, but signed with Akron, not Illinois. For those reasons, I am not including him in this discussion. Even if he were added, that would make three top-20 prospects, which is the exact same as the number of unranked signees.

So, in four years, Zook has beaten Ohio State head-to-head for three Illinois prospects, and one Ohio prospect; and Ohio State has beaten Illinois head-to-head for one Illinois prospect (Garrett Goebel), and every Ohio prospect whom they have offered except for Cordale Scott. In the same time, Zook has signed two Ohio prospects who were ranked in the top twenty, which seemingly qualifies as "occasionally land[ing] a top-20 player from Ohio."

While Zooker was busy signing Ohio players whom the Buckeyes wouldn't even look at, he wasn't exactly tearing it up in the home state: in 2006, Illinois signed only 3 of the top-10 players in state; in 2007, only 4 of the top-10; and in 2008, just 2 of the top-10, with the top four in-state prospects spurning the Illini (Garrett Goebel to Ohio State; Darius Fleming, Steven Filer, and Sean Cwynar to Notre Dame).

So, please, tell me how my statement was a "doozy"? Or are the facts getting in the way?
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You only talk about the kids with OSU offers. That sentence you made also included Notre Dame, PSU, and Michigan. Illinois has also beaten out those schools for recruits as well.

And how the heck did i flame/troll? This is an illinois thread is it not?
 
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heisman;1149657; said:
In Ohio? Who?
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Ah, I see your interpretation of his statement. See, I took it as the first part of the sentence as being separate from the second. As such, the first says that Illinois will only get kids not offered by OSU, PSU, Michigan, and ND. I read the second part as being a separate idea saying that they'll land a top 20 ohio kid occassionally. If i had read it as one complete though, then it makes sense from his argument.

Do you see how i interpreted it?
 
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