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I know nobody would agree with this; however,

1) Zook is an excellent recruiter
2) Zook is from Loudonvile OH and graduated from Miami University
3) Zook was an excellent DB coach here at Ohio State under Cooper (1988-1990)
4) Zook has experience at coaching in college and the NFL; i.e. DBs and special teams.
5) Zook is 57 and is undoubtedly financially secure (as having been head coach for 10 years (2002-2011)
6) Zook is currently unemployeed


Just sayin' if he isn't looking for another head coaching position, would like to stay in coaching for several more years, would like to be a position coach at a big time school with "job security", and would be content with a salary well below what he as been making;

Zook may not be a bad hire for Urban at Ohio State.
 
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I could see him ending up as a coordinator somewhere or possibly taking the FAU job. I just don't see any big schools looking to hire him as a HC. That is if he is still trying to coach, since as you said, he's probably financially very secure
 
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ScriptOhio;2049284; said:
I know nobody would agree with this; howevwer,

1) Zook is an excellent recruiter
2) Zook is from Loudonvile OH and graduated from Miami University
3) Zook was an excellent DB coach here at Ohio State under Cooper (1988-1990)
4) Zook has experience at coaching in college and the NFL; i.e. DBs and special teams.
5) Zook is 57 and is undoubetly financially secure (as having been head coach for 10 years (2002-2011)
6) Zook is currently unemployeed


Just sayin' if he isn't looking for another head coaching position, would like to stay in coaching for several more years, would like to be a position coach at a big time school with "job security", and would be content with a salary well below what he as been making;

Zook may not be a bad hire for Urban at Ohio State.
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His next step is likely to the NFL to shore up his pension rights there, if I were betting.
 
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My question is this: who the fuck does Illinois think they can hire that will do any better?

Situations like this will always remind me of Minnesota firing Glen Mason.

Hey Illinois, going to the Rose Bowl once a decade is the pinnacle of your program, if you go more than once a decade it would arguably be your best decade ever.

You aren't going to do any better and you are going to be extremely lucky to hire a coach any better than Ron Zook (no matter how hilariously inept he is on the sidelines).

Have fun sucking balls as you desperately search for a coach to get you right back to where Zook had you to begin with and then fire his ass when he inevitably doesn't take you any higher.
 
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Buckeye86;2049790; said:
My question is this: who the [censored] does Illinois think they can hire that will do any better?

Situations like this will always remind me of Minnesota firing Glen Mason.

Hey Illinois, going to the Rose Bowl once a decade is the pinnacle of your program, if you go more than once a decade it would arguably be your best decade ever.

You aren't going to do any better and you are going to be extremely lucky to hire a coach any better than Ron Zook (no matter how hilariously inept he is on the sidelines).

Have fun sucking balls as you desperately search for a coach to get you right back to where Zook had you to begin with and then fire his ass when he inevitably doesn't take you any higher.
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This. With Zook, you are paying him to recruit kids who would otherwise never think to go to Illinois, and but for Zook never would. What they needed was a really good OC and DC to take his talent and win games.
 
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Jaxbuck;1204649; said:
Of course there are always rational people like you but forget Zook for a moment and look at Minnesota and Purdue to hopefully better illustrate my point.

Perennial doormats that at one point I'm sure had fans like yourself that appreciated where the program had come from and were happy to just go to a Bowl and that type of thing.

Then Minny gets spoiled and 9 wins and a Bowl aren't enough. They want B10 titles and BCS Bowls. Mason can't get the program to the next level etc. They run off the most successful coach they have had in decades.

Purdue fans have been vocal in bitching about Tiller for the same type of stuff. I don't think I need to remind anyone here over the age of 21 just how god awful those two programs were before Mason and Tiller. Especially Purdue.

I'm telling you right now Illinois fans will be the same way by and large. They will come to expect the highs and think the lows are an aberration. Zook will bring enough success that soon, people like you who enjoy the view of the Rose Bowl will be a very small minority. The vocal majority will start the "can't win the big one/get the program to the next level" stuff.

There isn't a program around who's fans (on average) won't take the winning for granted once it starts and constantly expect more. Its human nature to think your teams rightful place is at the top.

Now as to the Zooker in particular, if he changes his stripes then I'll admit I was wrong. Until I see something different than the same guy doing the same things I saw him do at UF I'll remain skeptical.
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How about some shameless July 2008 I told you so?

Go check out page 64, once again BP pretty much nails this way in advance.
 
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People forget how obnoxious most illinois fans were back in the summer of '08. ThaKid was an extreme example, but many of them thought they were about to ascend to consistent relevance. It was hilarious watching them smacked back to reality.
 
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JaxBuck said:
.../snip/...

Purdue fans have been vocal in bitching about Tiller for the same type of stuff. I don't think I need to remind anyone here over the age of 21 just how god awful those two programs were before Mason and Tiller. Especially Purdue.

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Comparing Tiller's stats what I posted earlier:

Pre: 92-126-6 42.41%
Tiller: 87-62 58.39%
Post: 15-21 41.67%

Tiller fits the same mold as Mason & Mallory. His teams performed far above what was the norm for the previous 20 years at Purdue.


Muck;2036776; said:
Indiana - Bill Mallory
Minnesota - Glen Mason
Illinois - Ron Zook

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Pre: 77-134-3 36.68%
Mallory: 69-77-3 47.32%
Post: 54-108 33.33%

Pre: 86-134-3 36.24%
Mason: 64-57 52.89%
Post: 17-33 34%

Pre: 103-123 45.67%
Zook: 28-45 38.36%
Post: ?
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So Zook is still the outlier. He should not be placed in the same category as Mason, Mallory & Tiller.

Unlike the others Zook's teams actually performed worse than the 20 year norm for Illinois.
 
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