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fourteenandoh
My swing feels like an unfolding lawn chair.
hopefully ET can get out of his slump and we pull this one out.
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OHSportsFan
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Funny you say that. He's averaging over 20 ppg in the last 5 and "in a slump." :p
I know what you're saying, may as well take a point off his total for every turnover.
I think we win this at home. I'm also predicting 3 players with over 15 points (Turner, Buford, Diebler).
Go Bucks!
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fourteenandoh
My swing feels like an unfolding lawn chair.
OHSportsFan9;1412915; said:
i was thinking about this the other day. is there a rule of thumb for that? say you turn it over 8 times. we shoot 50pct, so that's 8 points we miss out on. however, you can't forget that they may score 6 points off that turnover, so in reality 8 t.os could cost you 14 points. (btw, you are correct that i was not referring to his point totals)
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generaladm
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Watching ET over the last few games, it seems that the opponents have made it their top priority to take away his ability to drive from the perimeter. Nearly every time ET takes a step towards the basket, every defender on his side leaves their man to collapse on him. IMO, he needs to make quicker decisions to kick it back out. By the time he's within 10' of the hoop, there are 3 guys on him, and it becomes a question of whether he can get a good enough look to draw a foul before he gets stripped. As I've said before, I think ET is a talented and smart enough player that it's usually best to leave him to his own devices, but it's time for him to step up his game. It's hard to produce when you're the marked man, but he's got to realize that what worked so well early in the season may not be there all the time.
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fourteenandoh
My swing feels like an unfolding lawn chair.
generaladm;1412935; said:
I was going to say that it would help ET to have a shooter, but Diebler played about as well as anyone could be expected to play, and NW was still able to swarm all over him. I'm not real sure what he needs to do other than play a little smarter. My guess is, like you say, that this is his first time being the focus of the defense and i guess that takes a little getting used to.
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generaladm
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Yeah, Diebs played his ass off last night, both shooting and overall. I think what was a big factor in the NW loss was an uncharacteristic cold night from Buford. IIRC, he didn't hit a basket until late in the 2nd, and only registered 3 points for the game. Those things happen, and Diebs' monster effort would have won us most games, but I think for this team to be successful, it needs to count on WB for double digit points. That's a lot of pressure to put on a freshman, but he's emerged as one of the few pure scorers on the team. One thing that would greatly benefit this year's squad is finding more ways to distribute the ball to different players in motion or in space. Dating back to last season, the MO for our offense has been to get the ball to a player in a stationary set, and expect them to create their own chance. A lot of that comes from the lack of a true PG, but to me it seems the offense has been very uncreative since Conley left. Many times it looks as if the players have marks on the floor where they are supposed to wait until somebody else makes something happen. I would love to see a lot more motion away from the ball. IMO, (and I don't know shit about basketball) that would make the job of the primary ball handler easier. When a player gets the ball when he is already in motion to the hoop, it puts the defender at a disadvantage. If the defender is in motion as well, it takes away most of their ability to establish position, and the offensive player can take advantage of the extra few feet. Likewise, it would be nice to see our shooters get the ball in the 10' or less range. ET, WB, and JD can hit those mid rangers all day if they manage to get the ball clean with a couple feet of space. I think better ball movement would create the type of defensive misdirection that can create those shots. I dunno, when I watch Big East or ACC teams run creative, active offenses, I wonder why ours looks so static. We have the talent to execute, but I wonder why the coaches don't open it up more.
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fourteenandoh
My swing feels like an unfolding lawn chair.
generaladm;1412953; said:
Diebs was definitely fun to watch.
I've noticed that too. Its like they tell diebler to stand on the elbow (is that what its called?) of the 3pt circle and wait for the ball.
Even Mullens gets the ball too far from the basket, IMO (except when they get the lob)
HMMMM....maybe its an OSU thing, i think i've heard those exact same words describe another of our teams.
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generaladm
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fourteenandoh;1412956; said:HMMMM....maybe its an OSU thing, i think i've heard those exact same words describe another of our teams.
Yeah, I had a little twinge of guilt repeating what some people say about JT's playcalling. Watching the last two Buckeye seasons reminds me a lot of when I used to watch UC basketball under Huggins. There should be a difference between a team that lives and dies by defense, and a good defensive team that has the talent to run a creative offense. Last year, we didn't have many players who could be counted on for points. It was basically Butler trying to carry the team, and a bunch of young guys who were streaky. This year, we have much more talent with more consistency, as evidenced by the high shooting percentages. But I have to wonder how much better we could be if the offense was designed to create more high percentage chances. There have been a few times this season where they run a very simple, but effective set plays (PG starts drive, bounce pass to C who's man collapsed on PG, dunk; SG makes pass inside, C or F kicks it back out when man on SG takes step inside, 3pt), and I think to myself "Why don't they run that same play 10 times a game", but they never do. I don't want to second guess Matta, because he has done a tremendous job here, and everywhere he's coached, but sometimes it seems like our offensive philosophy is not much different from a pick up game. Matta seems to be a very fundamental centered coach, but where are the tried and true offensive plays? A pick and roll would be nice every now and then. From what I've seen, the only high percentage set play we run with consistency is the alley-oop to Mullens, which works great, but when it comes to crunch time, it seems our "go to" play is "give it to ET, and let him take on the whole team". I just think this team has more potential than is being utilized. If this team can get all aspects playing up to potential, they can beat most teams. Oh yeah, and we need to defend the fucking 3. I swear playing OSU is like reverse kryptonite for other team's 3 shooting. At the end of the season, I'll have to do a breakdown of our opponents 3 percentage compared to against other teams.
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fourteenandoh
My swing feels like an unfolding lawn chair.
I think we are losing these games at the margins, rather than anything structural. The 2 or 3 missed defensive rebounds due to poor positioning, and the 2 or 3 turnovers due to lack of concentration. When we do the little things we win, because we are that good (like you say). When we don't, we lose because we aren't THAT good.
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generaladm
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fourteenandoh;1412966; said:
I definitely hear you. I'm still in a bit of disbelief that we lost the last two games. I didn't think we played poorly. I mean, when you shoot over %50, and hold your opponent to well under %40, you should expect to win. The big thing in the last game was defending the 3. There were some times where we left guys wide open, but most of the time, I thought we were playing pretty good D, but they were just making shots out of their asses, even if they had a hand in their face, or had to alter their motion. Even apart from the 3s, it seemed like all of their prayer shots were falling. When #24 took the game winning shot, I thought the defender did enough to alter the shot.
The Wisky game was different. We definitely fell apart down the stretch. The ball was bouncing their way all game. Their offensive rebounding absolutely killed us, but I don't think we played particularly bad in that respect, we actually crashed the boards better than in other games, but the ball always kicked out to the perimeter. That foul plus possession still sticks in my craw. A couple of games that we let slip away, and that makes this next game a must win. This should be a NCAA tournament team, but they need to have a good home stretch and a good conference tourney showing to make it. Hopefully, they will respond well to these two losses, and come up big in crunch time.
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LitlBuck
Kevin Warren is an ass
I will state the obvious that we need to win this game and get things turned around ASAP because it doesn't get any easier with PSU coming in Tuesday am going to Purdue the following weekend. We need to start winning games or we might be on the inside looking out again this year and I certainly don't want that.
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