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Game Thread Illinois at tOSU - Nov 3rd, 3:30 pm ESPN

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DaddyBigBucks;2246842; said:
I'll grant you that losing to LSU in '07 is not indicative of much; but if we're going to look at the opponents, let's also look at the teams against whom they went 3-1 in the last 4.

As for 2 being in his first year at UF, all that tells me is that 2 of his 3 losses that year came in weeks preceding a bye. The next year, the only game his team lost was in a week preceding a bye.

Does all of this mean anything? Maybe, maybe not. But that last bit is hard to ignore. In 2005-2006, his teams were 22-1 in games that did not precede a bye week and 0-3 in games that did precede a bye.

While these numbers don't suggest that Ohio State is vulnerable to what is arguably the worst team on their schedule this year; those last numbers make it easier for me to believe that there is a cause behind the correlation than that this is pure coincidence.

Feel free to believe that it is a coincidence. That's entirely possible.

I think it would be much more interesting however to hear from people that believe they have an explanation for these numbers that doesn't fall in the "coincidence" category.
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My question is why are you choosing to focus on the first three years of his tenure at Florida over the last three (or over his career everywhere else for that matter)?

If there is a causative event than those (extremely limited) numbers suggest that it the trend is positive.
 
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Buckeye86;2246715; said:
How is them being 18-22 year old kids an excuse when they are playing other 18-22 year old kids?

On top of that, the other 18-22 year old kids aren't as good at playing football as the ones at Ohio State 19 out of 20 times.
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Who said anything about excuses?

I just don't hold 18-22 year olds to unrealstilcy high expectations, because they are just kids. Yes 19 out of 20 times Ohio State has better kids playing the game, which is why I expect them to win week in and week out, but don't expect blow outs week in and week out espcially given a teams circumestances (not necessarily Ohio State's) in a given point during a season, especially given that you have X amount of weeks to see how a team has performed.


Buckeye86;2246715; said:
Yes, it does matter, which is why the games you point out are some of the most disappointing results in the past decade or longer.
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This was your response to my quote of, "Didn't forget. Well aware PSU has better players than Illinois, but that doesn't matter. tOSU had better players than Illinois in 07, Purdue in 09 and 11. I guess that is why they play the games on the field and not on paper."

and after I read it, I didn't make my point clearly, so I apoligize for that. What I was really getting after was that while better players do matter on any given day a better team can lose to an inferior one for whatever reason and I didn't present that in a very good way, so that is my bad.


Buckeye86;2246715; said:
They do play the game on the field, and when the players on the field are better than the opposition you expect to win.
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Like I said before I expect Ohio State to win when they appear to have the better team, which is a high percentage of their games, but I don't hold them to unrealistic expectations. That is it. Nothing more nothing less.

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Last year with a one dimensional offense, we were able to dominate Illinois on the ground and our offensive line just whipped them up front. I think we will be much more balanced this time around, which would be hard not to do, and we should be just as successful running the ball. At the same time our defense seems to be coming around while Illinois offense has been sputtering. I think this will be a game where the defense will pin it's ears back, get aggressive, and make things very unpleasant for Illinois and Scheelhasse. There is always that caution of a thing or two going Illinois way early, and a untimely defensive mistake or turnover giving Illinois hope early that they can win, but even if that happens, I feel like we would just have to crap the bed all day to have them end up ahead at the end. I don't see that happening. The weather also looks like it will not play a factor, which will make the upset less likely in my opinion. I think what is more likely is that this game ends up being a methodical dominate performance in all areas by Ohio State.

Ohio State 44
Illinois 14
 
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Dryden;2246856; said:
I think the more relevant statistic is that Illinois is 0-6 against FBS schools not named Directional Michigan and has been outscored in those losses by an average of 4 TDs.

Illinois is bad at football.
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My little buddy had them 10-2 this year with a defense as good as bammer, and Scheelhasse as a Heisman finalist.

Bill Lucas;2246903; said:
Why did ThaKid have to go and get himself banned before this game? He makes things much more interesting. :(
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Fremont Buckeye;2246866; said:
I just don't hold 18-22 year olds to unrealstilcy high expectations, because they are just kids.
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Expecting 18-22 year olds to do what they are trained to do is not a "unrealistically high expectation", especially when they are supposedly to be marked better at those expectations than are their opponents.

If I am in the ring against an opponent that is smaller, weaker, slower, and not as well-coached as I am, than I should be expected to beat his ass with not a whole lot of problems. If I end up getting my ass put on the canvas a couple times and end up winning only by majority or split decision, then I obviously didn't do what was expected of me.
 
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Muck;2246860; said:
My question is why are you choosing to focus on the first three years of his tenure at Florida over the last three (or over his career everywhere else for that matter)?

If there is a causative event than those (extremely limited) numbers suggest that it the trend is positive.
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I quoted the record for the entire tenure at Florida. You then focused on the last four, so I brought up the others in reply.

The truth is, I looked up these numbers because Illinois isn't a particularly interesting opponent. The Buckeyes are going to butcher them. Yeah, they've played down to the other opponents on their schedule, but the Illini are a special flavor of awful. The Illini are last in the conference in scoring offense and last in scoring defense. Their offense is even worse than being last in this conference makes it sound. They haven't broken twenty points against an FBS school from anywhere but Kalamazoo. If you can think of another way, any other way, that we can discuss this game in a way that is interesting to anyone; let me know.
 
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DaddyBigBucks;2246940; said:
If you can think of another way, any other way, that we can discuss this game in a way that is interesting to anyone; let me know.
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I think talking about how bad we're going to apefuck Illinois is indeed interesting.

We've had only one true blowout this year, which was the opener against Miami (and even in that game we were down 3-0 after the first quarter). I want to see a full 60-minute "2001: A Space Odyssey" chimpanzee beatdown...
 
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Hard to believe that this is supposed to be a "rivalry game".

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DaddyBigBucks;2246940; said:
If you can think of another way, any other way, that we can discuss this game in a way that is interesting to anyone; let me know.
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With all due respect..The Buckeyes are 9-0 with a chance to go 10-0. I find that infinitely more more interesting.

UFM is creeping up on an Ohio State record for most consecutive wins to start a coaching career for the Buckeyes.

They say you can learn more from a loss than a win..I think Indiana was our loss. Even though we didn't destroy Purdon't the following week I think our guys showed a ton of character by never giving up. I thought we saw a team that had finally matured against PSU. I also think this team has finally got the pieces of the puzzle together to make the final push at the right time of the season. The only thing that interests me against the Illini is if the team realizes they can still grow and mature against an inferior opponent.

Over the last couple weeks I feel like I just keep missing the thread that offers a consolation prize for being able to predict the Buckeyes first loss of the season. I'm not saying you are Daddy, just a general feeling I get. As for me I'll just keep on dreaming about being able to say..The best part about being 25-0..........
 
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DaddyBigBucks;2197283; said:
Just scored the LAST seat in 21C (best section in the 'Shoe in my opinion).

:banger:
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MililaniBuckeye;2246957; said:
I think talking about how bad we're going to ape[censored] Illinois is indeed interesting.

We've had only one true blowout this year, which was the opener against Miami (and even in that game we were down 3-0 after the first quarter). I want to see a full 60-minute "2001: A Space Odyssey" chimpanzee beatdown...
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You win

The coming beat-down is exactly what I was hoping for when I bought that ticket, so yeah; that's pretty interesting to me too.
 
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