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Game Thread Illinois 28, Ohio State 21 (final)

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Kiki_Buckeye;990743; said:
guess I just have a totally different view than most of the people on this forum.
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First of all, it's "different from", not "different than", but maybe you haven't reached high school yet, so I'll let that one slide for now....

Those of us who have some history with the Buckeyes in particular, and with college football in general, realize that it is very difficult to run the table and win a national championship. Look at any great program, and you'll see at least as many "failures" as "successes".

Since the advent of the AP poll in 1936, Ohio State has five generally recognized national championships (1942, 1954, 1957, 1968, and 2002) and three other undefeated seasons where the team could reasonably claim at least a portion of the national championship (1944, 1961, and 1973). That's only eight seasons out of sixty-seven where the Buckeyes were at least as good as any other team in the country. On the other hand, the Buckeyes have "blown" national championship opportunities in 1969, 1970, 1974, 1975, 1979, 1993, 1995, 1996, 1998, 2006, and now 2007, and generally under-performed in numerous other seasons.

With respect to yesterday's contest, Ohio State played a "good" game, maybe a "seven out of ten". With the Buckeyes' level of talent, their performance would have been good enough to beat most of the teams on their schedule most of the time. Unfortunately, the Buckeyes' opponent yesterday had solid talent and played a "near perfect" game, maybe "nine-and-a-half out of ten". No one from Ohio State stepped up to play a huge game; Juice Williams and J Leman did so for Illinois, and they were difference makers (give the Illini O-line a lot of credit as well). That's the nature of sports - upsets happen sometimes. Unfortunately in college football, one upset generally ruins a team's entire season. That's just the system - get used to it.

At BP, we prefer to discuss our team intelligently, and we don't really appreciate people who sign up and immediately start flaming the Buckeyes after a tough loss. If you can't handle losing, then take up knitting, or something....
 
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scooter1369;990761; said:
Did the Illini dance on our O or something? I saw the scrum at the end.
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Yes, and our guys went out and stopped them...from 36b I couldn't see any fighting going on, just looked like they were claiming their turf.

IMO, even if there was a bit of a scrum, Illinois deserved it, I'm fine with our guys making it known that no one can dance on our turf.
 
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LordJeffBuck;990766; said:
First of all, it's "different from", not "different than", but maybe you haven't reached high school yet, so I'll let that one slide for now....

Those of us who have some history with the Buckeyes in particular, and with college football in general, realize that it is very difficult to run the table and win a national championship. Look at any great program, and you'll see at least as many "failures" as "successes".

Since the advent of the AP poll in 1936, Ohio State has five generally recognized national championships (1942, 1954, 1957, 1968, and 2002) and three other undefeated seasons where the team could reasonably claim at least a portion of the national championship (1944, 1961, and 1973). That's only eight seasons out of sixty-seven where the Buckeyes were at least as good as any other team in the country. On the other hand, the Buckeyes have "blown" national championship opportunities in 1969, 1970, 1974, 1975, 1979, 1993, 1995, 1996, 1998, 2006, and now 2007, and generally under-performed in numerous other seasons.

With respect to yesterday's contest, Ohio State played a "good" game, maybe a "seven out of ten". With the Buckeyes' level of talent, their performance would have been good enough to beat most of the teams on their schedule most of the time. Unfortunately, the Buckeyes' opponent yesterday had solid talent and played a "near perfect" game, maybe "nine-and-a-half out of ten". No one from Ohio State stepped up to play a huge game; Juice Williams and J Leman did so for Illinois, and they were difference makers (give the Illini O-line a lot of credit as well). That's the nature of sports - upsets happen sometimes. Unfortunately in college football, one upset generally ruins a team's entire season. That's just the system - get used to it.

At BP, we prefer to discuss our team intelligently, and we don't really appreciate people who sign up and immediately start flaming the Buckeyes after a tough loss. If you can't handle losing, then take up knitting, or something....
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I'm not flaming the Buckeyes - I'm flaming the performance. There is a difference.
 
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Buckeye Maniac;990767; said:
I'm fine with our guys making it known that no one can dance on our turf.
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Quite frankly, the Buckeyes had sixty minutes to "make it known that no one can dance on our turf". They didn't get it done. Props to Illinois for winning, and if they want to celebrate in such a childish fashion, then let 'em.
 
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Taosman;990762; said:
In the Big Ten picture, a competitive Illinois is nothing but good for the conference.
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Except when they lose to PSU, tsun,Iowa and Mizzou, struggle like hell to beat Ball State then come out and play perfect and beat OSU. Watch them go lay an egg against Northwestern or in their Bowl game now.


That kind of erratic, helter skelter shit is no better for the B10 than UCLA is for the Pac 10 or Auburn is for the SEC.
 
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Buckeye Maniac;990767; said:
Yes, and our guys went out and stopped them...from 36b I couldn't see any fighting going on, just looked like they were claiming their turf.

IMO, even if there was a bit of a scrum, Illinois deserved it, I'm fine with our guys making it known that no one can dance on our turf.
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And from my vantage point inside the 'Shoe yesterday, with my 11 year old son by my side, all I could say to him was, "The Bucks didn't do anything during the game to prevent the dancing on the Block O from happening at the end of the game. If they wanted to prevent the Illini from dancing at midfield, they should have taken care of it during the game....not after the game."

Illinois deserved to celebrate, they didn't deserve to be attacked for celebrating.
 
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I was at the game and I again watched some of it this morning. I wonder how the game would have changed if the refs would have got the first of many missed calls right. That 80 yard run ended clearly with a fumble and with OSU recovering would have changed a lot.
 
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Taosman;990725; said:
Illinois is not rotating off the schedule any time soon so we better learn to do a better job against athletic QBs.
Remember how much trouble Northwestern created with their better spread offenses?
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No, they've beaten us once since 1971....in 2004, when we had a mediocre team. We've killed them most other recent seasons.
 
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At first I was of the opinion that the Ohio State players should not be condemned for going after the Illini for dancing on the Block O.

After some more thought, I think the Ohio State coaches should have taken the team and gone straight to the locker room. Let Illinois dance. Let the players see them dance.

If you don't want them to dance, then don't give them a reason to dance.

Again, the hangover from this game is going to test the coaches this week.
 
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Although they should have done something about the pending celebration during the game, I certainly appreciate their willingness to not just sit there and watch someone disrespect our University and the program by dancing on our logo. The NCAA should suspend the players who thought that was a good idea to begin with. Classless. You'll never see a Tressel team pull that bullshit. I lay the blame with Zook for not instilling the proper respect for opponents in his players.
 
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AV8TOR;990775; said:
I was at the game and I again watched some of it this morning. I wonder how the game would have changed if the refs would have got the first of many missed calls right. That 80 yard run ended clearly with a fumble and with OSU recovering would have changed a lot.
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with the d-line getting abused most of the game the holding was never called. OH I'M , WRONG. ONCE
 
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LordJeffBuck;990770; said:
Perhaps you are not yet subtle and eloquent enough to express that difference in this forum....
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Perhaps I'm not as subtle and eloquent as the many other fans on this forum who have expressed their personal views on the topic of the Buckeye loss. If you re-read many of the posts on this thread, however, you'll see that my comments are about as subtle and as eloquent as the rest of the folks.

On my behalf, I don't resort to personal attacks, I respect the opinions of others, and I don't become defensive or threaten/request to have others kicked off because their views are not aligned with mine. I also never question the Buckeye loyalty of others on this forum.
 
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