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mercer_buckeye;1362991; said:
DickRod won 1 game his first year at Glenville State. Three years later he won 10 and never had another losing season.

His first year at WVU he went 3-8 (kinda like 3-9) the next year he won nine games. He never had another losing season at WVU and in 5 years had his team in the NC picture.

If you can recruit at WVU you can recruit at scUM.

Tate Forcier helps them a ton!

Damn you for making me think about scUM this long!
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He certainly isn't tearing it up at the moment as far as recruiting. We'll see how much Tate Forcier helps them. He'll be starting as a freshman next year on a team that will probably be worse than this year's team.
 
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I loathe DickRod. I think he's shady (see Pat Lazear) and is an embarrasment on so many levels to the once proud Michigan football program, which by extension means that he tarnishes The Game.

That being said, he has proven the he can win once his system is installed. Anybody thinking he turns out to be another Fat Bastard is wishing against the odds.

Hoping he turns out to be another Weis, however, is absolutely justified...no strike that, absolutely expected....no strike that too, absolutely demanded.
 
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What DickRod has proven is his system beats the living shit out of SEC teams and teams from the Sun Belt.

I hope Michigan fans like playing Savannah St., Baylor and La Tech along with Ntre Ame as their first 4 games....
 
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i can't stand dick rod but anyone who thinks he isn't a decent football coach with a decent system at the very least has their head in the clouds. he has a proven record of success, and michigan will be better next year. unfortunately.

What DickRod has proven is his system beats the living [censored] out of SEC teams
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it'd be nice if you could say that about our system...
 
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Rich will have a potent offense soon. I would be shocked otherwise. However, he has yet to commit to the defensive side of the ball. Until he does so, he will not reach the top. Shafer was an awful hire from the start...the new DC will need to be strong enough to shape his own recruiting and get some of the premiere athletes away from the offensive side.

I'm not willing to count the guy out yet...but if he insists on only worrying about one side of the ball, he will not be in Ann Arbor long.
 
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The question still remains, will Rod's gimmicky offense designed to help less talented teams compete work at Michigan? There is a reason that more talented teams use more balanced schemes. By installing his system at a prestigious school like Michigan you are essentially playing away from your strengths. There was no reason that Michigan could not have been competing, with the talent they had on their roster this year for the big 10. I don't think anyone doubts that he will manage to assemble another roster that resembles WVU's. I doubt that a system like that can consistently win in the Big 10 environment.

It's obvious that Rod is as inflexible a coach as you are going to find. The Michigan players could have run Carr's system by themselves and made a bowl game this year. What proceeded was really inexcusable. The title of this thread is funny because it is absolutely true. It is an insult to Cooper to have compared him to Rod.
 
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ScarletStorms;1363020; said:
The question still remains, will Rod's gimmicky offense designed to help less talented teams compete work at Michigan?
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That sounds like the same questions asked of Urban Meyer a few years ago when he took the UF job. Is Rod willing to make some of the same adjustments that Urban made? That will tell the tale.
 
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It's gonna be two, three, maybe four years before Dick Wad gets things going at Ann Arbor. Why? 'cause he's gonna have real problems getting talent out of Pennsylvania, Ohio and Chicago. Why? 'cause Penn State is going to be very good for another two, three seasons. 'cause the pipeline through NE Ohio has been gutted. 'cause Notre Dame, Illinois and Northwestern are going to be getting some Chicago talent they couldn't get while Michigan was good.

My concern is not Ohio State vs Michigan so much as it is what could happen to the league when Michigan is down. SOS is going to be shot in the ass and Notre Dame is going to win a few more of those early season games, enough to get the Irish recruiting machine going again. I worry far more about the impact a strong Notre Dame has on the Big 10 and the Midwest than I do about Michigan winning the Big 10. The Buckeyes always have a shot at Michigan and can make or break their own season. Not true with Notre Dame.

Finally, bitch about Coop all you want, Earl left the cupboard bare and crippled any opportunity for anyone to recruit Cincinnati for a good eight years. Coop may have let discipline go toward the end, but he made OSU pre NFL territory and it was largely his recruits and one crazy MF of a tailback that brought the Buckeyes their NC.
 
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cincibuck;1363031; said:
Finally, bitch about Coop all you want, Earl left the cupboard bare and crippled any opportunity for anyone to recruit Cincinnati for a good eight years. Coop may have let discipline go toward the end, but he made OSU pre NFL territory and it was largely his recruits and one crazy MF of a tailback that brought the Buckeyes their NC.
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Exactly my point (and yes I will bitch about Coop as much as I want :wink2:).

Coop got ripped for saying we had too many slow white guys but the point he was trying to make was 100% correct. The overall level of athleticisim Earl left behind was very bad. So Coop took his bunch of slow white guys in 1988, went 4-6-1 and gave B10 champ scUM a serious 31-34 scare in The Game. Along the way he managed to beat LSU and avoid losing at home to any MAC schools.

By all reasonable measurement a better first year than Dick Rod was capable of.

Mark the date and time, I'm defending John F Cooper. I honestly never thought the day would come.

How freakin great of a period of history are we lucky enough to be living in when scUM and ND both have coaches that I wouldn't take over Cooper while we have a guy who's at the very least in Woody's neighborhood of coaching success?

Great times to be a Buckeye, maybe the best of all times.
 
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osugrad21;1363021; said:
That sounds like the same questions asked of Urban Meyer a few years ago when he took the UF job. Is Rod willing to make some of the same adjustments that Urban made? That will tell the tale.
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I think the real question is, can Rodriguez recruit well enough to compete with Ohio State? His system can work, we have all seen it, but can he recruit total team talent?

I think it's an interesting subplot to the future of CFB.
 
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