No thanks. I didn't lie then and I won't now. I understand the need for positive references, but I don't really care. There are still people here who like me, so if the need arises, I'll just use them.
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No thanks. I didn't lie then and I won't now. I understand the need for positive references, but I don't really care. There are still people here who like me, so if the need arises, I'll just use them.
Awwwwwwww.... SNAP!
(FYI, he teaches elementary school)
You're both wrong, I teach middle school.
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NorthShoreBuck
True Madness Requires Significant Intelligence
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If I may take a view from your employer's side. You have worked less than 5 months and you have missed 7 days? My company only gives 6 sick days a year. Kudos for not wanting to infect the entire place. You by your own admission are chronically late. I guess I am not sure why you are so surprised.
I see this as the standard employee versus employer situation. The employer has more invested in the company and cares about the long term situation. You have other career aspirations and I appluad you for being honest.
Consultants always make me laugh. I have acted in that capacity before and you have credibility in most cases because the company is paying so damn much for your advice. This advice almost always comes from speaking with employees, management and customers. Couldn't the managment do that themselves? Seems like shelves are a more critical factor for success.
So you struck out the first time for your dream. Is there other routes or options?
If I may take a view from your employer's side. You have worked less than 5 months and you have missed 7 days? My company only gives 6 sick days a year. Kudos for not wanting to infect the entire place. You by your own admission are chronically late. I guess I am not sure why you are so surprised.
I see this as the standard employee versus employer situation. The employer has more invested in the company and cares about the long term situation. You have other career aspirations and I appluad you for being honest.
Consultants always make me laugh. I have acted in that capacity before and you have credibility in most cases because the company is paying so damn much for your advice. This advice almost always comes from speaking with employees, management and customers. Couldn't the managment do that themselves? Seems like shelves are a more critical factor for success.
So you struck out the first time for your dream. Is there other routes or options?
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It's actually been over six months now, not five--the office manager is mistaken. And one of the seven days, as I said, had been agreed to weeks beforehand as a personal day I had to take to make sure this relative of mine made it to the doctor in one piece. From my perspective (granted it's one sided, having never truly had to manage employees), missing one day out of every thirty sounds perfectly reasonable to me.
Agreed, and thanks for the applause. My beef is that I feel it's less than reasonable to expect your resident typist to have a genuine vested interest in the future of your company. Maybe that's just me, though. I'm not wired to care about whether or not my boss' company makes an extra half a million in revenue this year. Frankly, I'm not wired to care about the success of anyone's business but my own. When they first asked me what my goals for the company were, I replied, "Well, I hope it grows, because that probably means I'll get a raise."
Agreed on all accounts. This consulting firm isn't inventing the wheel here. They're telling the boss man the same shit that people here have been telling him for months. When you're shelling out $5,000 a month for that kind of advice, though, you'd better see results, or heads will roll.
Eh, it wasn't really my "dream." It was a way to stave off paying my student loans while still getting the advanced degree I feel like I owe it to myself to obtain. My "dream" is to be sitting on a beach on an island in Maine with Adriana Lima on my left and Scarlett Johansson on my right with both of them licking my ears and feeding me riesling and fresh strawberries. Anything short of that is just a hoop through which I'm forced to jump to get there. I am perfectly willing to accept that there are people out there who actually do truly enjoy their jobs. But then, I'm willing to bet that those people don't call what they do a 'job'.
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NorthShoreBuck
True Madness Requires Significant Intelligence
I was talking about your career dream, not you wet dream!
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I was talking about your career dream, not you wet dream!
My career dream is to write a single, brilliant novel, make enough money to invest, live off the dividends and retire, living out the remainder of my days as an eccentric, enigmatic recluse who stays on his island in Maine with Adriana Lima and Scarlett Johansson licking his earlobes.
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OSUsushichic
Fired up! Ready to go!
As far as employment, check out McGraw-Hill. That company is growing, and you could hang out with other cool publishing folk who have dreams of writing novels, too.
http://www.mcgraw-hill.com/careers/who.shtml
Hey, at least your dream is much better than becoming a middle school teacher.
http://www.mcgraw-hill.com/careers/who.shtml
Hey, at least your dream is much better than becoming a middle school teacher.
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As far as employment, check out McGraw-Hill. That company is growing, and you could hang out with other cool publishing folk who have dreams of writing novels, too.
http://www.mcgraw-hill.com/careers/who.shtml
Hey, at least your dream is much better than becoming a middle school teacher.
This probably isn't the best place to post this, but say someone had already written a novel. How would they go about getting it to the cool publishing folks who could edit it and publish it for said person? Or in the more likely case say it is crap and thanks for wasting their time.
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Not quite, but my friends and family that have read it say it is pretty good. They are nice enough not to mention my 3rd grade knowledge of the English language.
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OilerBuck
Sweet Crude
I can empathize with your situation, Vince. I've quickly realized that being honest in the workplace doesn't get you where you want to be. Luckily, I work for a large corporation, where attitude is generally irrelevant, provided you are productive.
It seems like companies no longer value innovative thinking, truthfulness and dreams from their grassroots level. More than ever, places like "The Firm", want their lower-level employees to be nameless, mindless, enthusiastic "yes men".
I agree with NorthShore, in that missing days and tardiness are legitimate reasons for any employer to be upset. At the same time, however, I think that their response to your "Meeting with the Bobs" was a pathetic excersize in "forced loyalty".
Work really sucks.
It seems like companies no longer value innovative thinking, truthfulness and dreams from their grassroots level. More than ever, places like "The Firm", want their lower-level employees to be nameless, mindless, enthusiastic "yes men".
I agree with NorthShore, in that missing days and tardiness are legitimate reasons for any employer to be upset. At the same time, however, I think that their response to your "Meeting with the Bobs" was a pathetic excersize in "forced loyalty".
Work really sucks.
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PrincessPeach
I want to ride my bicycle.
That's kind of my biggest problem right now... the "forced loyalty" aspect of this. I mean, they've basically said that if we're not signing on for the long-term team, there's the door. Which is fine. I understand where they're coming from on that - they want people who are truly enthusiastic about this place and its future growth. That's their prerogative. Quite honestly, though, I've been hinting to them over the past week or so that this isn't really my five year or longer plan either, and that this isn't my long-term career choice. I'm also not overly enthusiastic about it. In my meeting with the Bobs, I was pretty honest with them, too, and I've gotten a very different reaction - they've been encouraging me to find new, different projects.
So, in Vincent's case, I feel like they're just using the lack of "enthusiasm" as an excuse. I mean - if they want to fire him for tardiness and absenteeism, then they should fire him for that. Fire him for no reason at all - that's fine. Ohio's an employment-at-will state. But pinning the reason on this whole thing with the Bobs - that comes off as totally disingenuous to me. I don't know what their real reasons are. I have some suspicions, but those are largely unimportant. I do know, however, that his work product is fine, and that when he is out, he is missed, and everyone else (especially me) ends up slammed.
Anyway, since there seems to be this odd subterfuge about the real reasons for getting rid of him, I'm going to take it as exactly what they're saying it is, even though I don't believe them. Accordingly, since they've just laid it out there that if we're not signing up for the "team," we're out, I'm very interested to see what comes out of my next, more candid meeting with the Bobs. Really, if that is their real reason for letting Vincent go, then I would feel bad about not leaving now. Again, it's their prerogative to want only employees who want to spend the rest of their careers here, but if that's what they want, then this simply is not a good fit for me. It's not beneficial to me or to The Firm for me to continue the pretense.
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