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Bucknut319;647119; said:
Hey, careful there, buddy. I know for a fact that we have some law enforcement personnel that post on these boards.
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BayBuck
Buckeyes are best
American Heritage is certainly not definitive:
sport
?noun 1.an athletic activity requiring skill or physical prowess and often of a competitive nature, as racing, baseball, tennis, golf, bowling, wrestling, boxing, hunting, fishing, etc. 2.a particular form of this, esp. in the out of doors.
sports‧man
?noun, plural -men. 1.a man who engages in sports, esp. in some open-air sport, as hunting, fishing, racing, etc.
sport
?noun 1.an athletic activity requiring skill or physical prowess and often of a competitive nature, as racing, baseball, tennis, golf, bowling, wrestling, boxing, hunting, fishing, etc. 2.a particular form of this, esp. in the out of doors.
sports‧man
?noun, plural -men. 1.a man who engages in sports, esp. in some open-air sport, as hunting, fishing, racing, etc.
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PrincessPeach;646817; said:
*ahem*
My stance on hunting has changed somewhat in recent months. The animal rights argument against hunting - while not entirely invalid - lacks punch. Moreover, those who do hunt are prepared for it; lying in wait with a smart, "Don't you eat meat? It's the same thing." Such is the case, and so I no longer weep publicly for the targeted creature who wanted nothing more than to eat some plant matter, sip from a bubbling brook and raise a family. You cannot bring someone who is or was once willing to put a bullet through the belly of a fellow animal all the way around to your side of the discussion simply by saying, "It's just a helpless little deer." It doesn't work, because - in short - you're stating the obvious. There can be no change in perspective if no new information is introduced. Every Jim, Billy, Darrell and Pete who ever felled an animal in the name of 'sport' knows full well (despite their insistence that the engagement is, in fact, 'sporting') that their objective is:
This is why hunters hide in trees, wear camouflage and disguise their own putrid manstink with fake urine. Their intent is to keep the animals as helpless as humanly possible. Once this is accomplished, and some unlucky buck comes strolling along looking for a warm place to stick it (how dare he!), they remain hidden and distant and do the job with the ultimate handicapper--the gun. What a bitch move, the gun. The thing was invented to kill people (creatures who are capable of organized retaliation), yet still we find them suitable for the most unwitting of recipients. You know, deer. Ducks. School children.
So I'm not going to sit here and try to proselytize people, or implore them to 'leave the cute furries alone'. I love animals and everything, and I'm certain I wouldn't have it in me to destroy a sentient being that wasn't either actively trying to kill me or cutting me off on the freeway. No--my only beef with the whole scene now is that those who take part in the activity insist on referring to it as a 'sport'. The word itself has appropriate connotations...
or even
...but that's not what they mean when they say it. They think of themselves as sportsmen. A sportsman, according to the American Heritage Dictionary, is:
1. A man who is active in sports.
2. A person whose conduct and attitude exhibit sportsmanship.
A sportsman, according to a sportsman, is most assuredly:
1. A man who is real good at shooting deer and other critters.
2. A manlier man than thou art.
Far be it from me to judge (pfffHAAAHAHAHA), but it seems to me that a man should take little pleasure in being triumphant over a completely oblivious opponent. Seems to me that a man is someone who - if he feels the need to hunt lesser beings at all in these 'modern times' - keeps the playing field level. Take Schlegel hunting boars with a knife. He still uses his brain (distracts the boars with dogs, sneaks up from behind), but he's not cheating. A man with a knife vs. a wild boar? I'd say the boar is being given a sporting chance.
Anyway, I'm sure I'm well past my welcome at this point. Suffice it to say that I don't really care that people hunt. Do whatever you've got to do to get your jollies. Just don't dress it up as something it's not. You're arm wrestling your grandmother. You're playing Madden against your five-year-old niece. You're drag racing with a guy in a Hyundai who didn't know he was supposed to be racing. It's not a sport. It's not sporting. It's gay.
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BayBuck
Buckeyes are best
vrbryant;648658Far be it from me to judge (pfffHAAAHAHAHA) said:
Just so you know, not all hunting is sitting in a tree stand drinking with a handheld TV, waiting for a fat slow deer to wander into your backyard. It just so happens that in Ohio there is a real deer overpopulation problem, and as others have pointed out death by starvation is no better (likely much worse) than a clean shot through the heart. But beyond that, much hunting requires a lot of planning, understanding of the environment, and physical activity, and does not fit with the analogies you've tried to make. Sure, as humans we have all the technological advantages, but pulling through a fast-food drive-thru is a much more egregious form of "cheating" than hunting with a gun or bow.
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OSU_Buckguy
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i cannot possibly endorse more fully your opinion.vrbryant;648658; said:
for your enjoyment: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7XwmI9SSOc&mode=related&search=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZfIrpohr5g
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BayBuck;648681; said:
I'm fully cognizant of the overpopulation issues. And I'm totally in favor of 'thinning the herd'. I'm not even opposed to those that do taking pleasure in the activity. My only objection, as I said, was to the portrayal of hunting as anything more than one or two rungs up the skill ladder from literally shooting fish in a barrel. I suppose if you could somehow get a deer to understand that he's being hunted for his life, I could submit to there being some amount of admirable skill involved. Either way, it's not a sport, and it's not sporting. It is - at this point in our society - an antiquated, hilljack activity.
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NorthShoreBuck
True Madness Requires Significant Intelligence
I agree with VR on one thing. We will never agree on this issue. Those that hunt enjoy it and those that don't think it is killing bambi. The two sides will never meet in the middle. I will not get hung up in definitions as it becomes a circle jerk, feel free to participate if that is what you like.
That being said he used words like oblivious and hapless to describe the animal, deer I assume. As most people that hunt know that is far from an accurate description. Anyone that spends any time hunting knows the animals are very aware that they are being hunted and adjust their activities accordingly. He also assumes everyone uses a gun which negates the truth that many deer are harveted using a bow that requires skills much more difficult to master than gun hunting. Even the term gun can mean a muzzleloader, pistol, shotgun or rifle all which require different levels of skill to successfully harvest a deer or other animal.
Animals live to eat and procreate. Some eat other animals and their peaceful lifestyle is not so peaceful in most cases.
I had mentioned in the other thread that I have not "killed" anything in years. That was my choice based on my desired outcome. Now with a recommendation from a biologist I will kill the deer required to get our club back in balance. I enjoy the hunt, will makes sure the kill is legal and ethical, and enjoy the meat of the animal I killed and prepared. Notice the repeated reference to kill. It is one part of the process and a critical step but not the only goal.
Good Hunting.
That being said he used words like oblivious and hapless to describe the animal, deer I assume. As most people that hunt know that is far from an accurate description. Anyone that spends any time hunting knows the animals are very aware that they are being hunted and adjust their activities accordingly. He also assumes everyone uses a gun which negates the truth that many deer are harveted using a bow that requires skills much more difficult to master than gun hunting. Even the term gun can mean a muzzleloader, pistol, shotgun or rifle all which require different levels of skill to successfully harvest a deer or other animal.
Animals live to eat and procreate. Some eat other animals and their peaceful lifestyle is not so peaceful in most cases.
I had mentioned in the other thread that I have not "killed" anything in years. That was my choice based on my desired outcome. Now with a recommendation from a biologist I will kill the deer required to get our club back in balance. I enjoy the hunt, will makes sure the kill is legal and ethical, and enjoy the meat of the animal I killed and prepared. Notice the repeated reference to kill. It is one part of the process and a critical step but not the only goal.
Good Hunting.
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NorthShoreBuck;648719; said:
Don't you know me at all? Of course that's what I like.
That said, having never gone hunting myself, I feel fully qualified to speak on the subject.
Seriously, though, NSB--you're not supposed to be so reasonable. You're supposed to call me a sissy liberal tree hugging assbandit who couldn't cry his way out of a bake sale....or something.
FIGHT WITH ME, DAMMIT!
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