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How terrible are NFL refs?

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I haven't had a problem with the replay in the college or professional level, but I have had a problem with the refs in the NFL since the beginning of last season. Ever since that one Colts-Patriots playoff game, the refs have been making some terrible, terrible calls. Especially when it comes to making contact with skill position players. Football is a contact sport, and they've seemed to forgotten that. It's ridiculous.
 
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NFL refs are supposed to be the best. They get the best training. Make the most money. And actually are well organized.

College refs truly suck! The whole idea of instant replay in college football is to cover how bad they are in general. They are amateurs. They make the least money. They get the least training. :shake:
 
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Taosman said:
NFL refs are supposed to be the best. They get the best training. Make the most money. And actually are well organized.

College refs truly suck! The whole idea of instant replay in college football is to cover how bad they are in general. They are amateurs. They make the least money. They get the least training. :shake:
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Actually as far as money goes, Pee-Wee Football refs make the least.

Lowest To Highest Paid Officials
Little League/Pee-Wee
Flag Football
High School/JV and Freshman(They ref JV and Fresh games because they aren't good enough to make it on Fridays)
High School
College
OR
Pros/Arena League
Pros/NFL

I've had good experiences and bad experiences with refs this year. One game we had against Licking Valley, we actually had a college crew for the game(6 refs instead of a regular Varsity game 5 refs). They were making calls that weren't even calls in high school football, but were calls in college. Don't remember what they were, but I know our coach was letting them hear it. In the State Playoffs there is susposed to be the best refs, but the refs we had in our game this year we either homers for Canfield or just simply didn't know what they were doing.
 
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One replay showed he was down, elbow on the ground, then a lineman pulled the ball over. I had a room full of people saying he was down, and I was the only Redskins fan.

edit: I'll just take the last line out, no need to start anything.
 
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BuckeyeTillIDie said:
One replay showed he was down, elbow on the ground, then a lineman pulled the ball over. I had a room full of people saying he was down, and I was the only Redskins fan.

Oh, and Sober, go fuck yourself.
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To my knowledge, an elbow is not down. But maybe thats just me. I think the elbow is considered along the lines of the hand on the ground. I haven't seen the play, but from what i've heard, I think he was in.
 
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Inside that mass of humanity, the refs have to wait until they move in to make the call. Once they got there, Alstott was in in. The replay had no "indisputable video evidence" to the contrary. You can't see the ball on any of the replays.

Blame Arrington for jumping over the play, under the impression that 270 pound Alstott was going to go airborne. Arrington stays low, Alstott hits a wall and is short.
 
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BuckeyeNation27 said:
An elbow = a knee = down
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Well ok, thanks i'll remember that.


Heres another one. The ground can't cause a fumble, which means that if you have solid possesion of the ball and it touches ground, then the play is dead. Well what if say on a kickoff, the ball is on the ground and the returner gains possesion and touches the ground with it?(Basically scrapes/slides it against the ground) Wouldn't that be considered down because you had possesion and the ball touched the ground?
 
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tedginn05 said:
Well ok, thanks i'll remember that.


Heres another one. The ground can't cause a fumble, which means that if you have solid possesion of the ball and it touches ground, then the play is dead. Well what if say on a kickoff, the ball is on the ground and the returner gains possesion and touches the ground with it?(Basically scrapes/slides it against the ground) Wouldn't that be considered down because you had possesion and the ball touched the ground?
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Not in the NFL. You have to be downed by contact with a defensive player. As long you aren't touched, the ball is live and the play keeps going.
 
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scooter1369 said:
In college or high school, once you go down, the play is dead. Defense need not touch you, although its advised to play until the whistle.
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Ok, well this was kinda of a scoop and run play, he had possesion and the ball touched. It wasn't like his knee went down. He had complete balance and stayed up.



I've seen this many times and none of those times was it blown dead. So i guess this also goes along with a punt return and fumble return.
 
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