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How terrible are NFL refs?

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tedginn05 said:
Actually as far as money goes, Pee-Wee Football refs make the least.

Lowest To Highest Paid Officials
Little League/Pee-Wee
Flag Football
High School/JV and Freshman(They ref JV and Fresh games because they aren't good enough to make it on Fridays)
High School
College
OR
Pros/Arena League
Pros/NFL
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thank you for such an insightful post. Could you clarify whether pee-wee tickets cost more than college tickets?
Sober said:
Maybe you should blame the idiot defender who was offsides on the PAT instead of whining about the refs. Then again, whining is what Redskins fans do best. Go cry somewhere else, please.
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boy, you don't sound anything like tibor
 
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tedginn05 said:
Well ok, thanks i'll remember that.


Heres another one. The ground can't cause a fumble, which means that if you have solid possesion of the ball and it touches ground, then the play is dead. Well what if say on a kickoff, the ball is on the ground and the returner gains possesion and touches the ground with it?(Basically scrapes/slides it against the ground) Wouldn't that be considered down because you had possesion and the ball touched the ground?
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The ground can cause a fumble.
 
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jwinslow said:
thank you for such an insightful post. Could you clarify whether pee-wee tickets cost more than college tickets?
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Yes well let me start at the begining of time.....


No but really, he made a comment that college refs were the least paid and thats not true. All refs from pee-wee to pros are paid. The lower the level the lower the pay. Sounds pretty simple to me.
 
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scooter1369 said:
Not in the NFL. You have to be downed by contact with a defensive player. As long you aren't touched, the ball is live and the play keeps going.
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Quite true, Scooter. This was very clear in the Denver-Oakland game today. Rod Smith caught a pass, and went down all on his own. His elbow hit the ground and he lost the ball. Oakland kept the fumble because he wasn't down by contact.

But a lot of idiot announcers try to propagate the BS myth that "the ground can't cause a fumble". It did for Rod Smith today.
 
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BB73 said:
Quite true, Scooter. This was very clear in the Denver-Oakland game today. Rod Smith caught a pass, and went down all on his own. His elbow hit the ground and he lost the ball. Oakland kept the fumble because he wasn't down by contact.

But a lot of idiot announcers try to propagate the BS myth that "the ground can't cause a fumble". It did for Rod Smith today.
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But outside of the pros(College and High School), the ground can't cause it right?
 
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tedginn05 said:
Yes well let me start at the begining of time.....

No but really, he made a comment that college refs were the least paid and thats not true. All refs from pee-wee to pros are paid. The lower the level the lower the pay. Sounds pretty simple to me.
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we all realize they are the least paid. I guess you are missing teh whole point, so I'll give you an example. Sloopy could argue in the baseball forum someday about a certain team having the least paid players in baseball. Then you could show up and point out that farm league players get paid less. That's obvious and not relevant to the discussion. I don't think the original poster thought that pee wee refs get paid more than top-flight DI football refs... he just was comparing them to NFL refs.
 
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NFL refs are the only major sport whose officials are not full time employees.

These guys have other jobs they go to during the week and off-season.

When the NFL gets with the program and makes these refs full-time employees will I be as critical as many of you are.
 
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Thump said:
When the NFL gets with the program and makes these refs full-time employees will I be as critical as many of you are.
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they blow a call every now and then, but IMO they do a much better job than their counterparts in baseball & basketball.

I don't think they blew last nights call for Alstott. It was too crowded to make a clear reversal.

Quite a demoralizing end to the game.
 
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