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Gatorubet
Loathing All Things Georgia
NorthShoreBuck;1210796; said:
With a good solar panel and storage battery, you can power several small fans, a 12 volt DC handheld TV, laptop and phone.
NSBuck, this is kind of slick for us urban city dwellers. If you use the generator for five or six hours until evening for whatever (remembering to power your ice maker and top off the storage battery charge), you can use the ice in a heat exchange cooler (!MightyKool Personal Coolers by Swampy ) to last a whole night's worth of sleeping just using the battery power for the cooler - and a few 100 watt output fluorescents for 21 watts to read your college fantasy football picks material.
The thing works, and it can really help a person minimize the need for a generator at night - not to mention the amount of gas it takes to run it. Between the local thugs and the national guard trying to steal everyone's generators around here last time, a nice quiet battery run cooler that will let you sleep in the 70s is a nice add for this year's hurricane season.
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NorthShoreBuck
True Madness Requires Significant Intelligence
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Not to hijack this thread but LA is giving a 50% tax credit up to $12,500 for solar power. The guy will be out here next week to talk to me about it. The Feds give you a $2000 credit.
No one stole any generators or gas in my little subdivision. But yeah the finding, buying and hauling gas thing was a pain and will be much more expensive next time.
Not to hijack this thread but LA is giving a 50% tax credit up to $12,500 for solar power. The guy will be out here next week to talk to me about it. The Feds give you a $2000 credit.
No one stole any generators or gas in my little subdivision. But yeah the finding, buying and hauling gas thing was a pain and will be much more expensive next time.
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jimotis4heisman
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ill lay it bluntly. NOLA is a welfare society. large portions of the population live off of handouts and thus on the cusp of life. when struck with such a situation as katrina groups are pushed to the brink, simple insticts fight or flight. the mayor and govenor did not have the plans in place required by fema and the feds. the feds didnt force this on them, blah blah yaddy yaddy.
i think what nsb is pointing at is that while things happened, many great things happened also, neighborhoods working together, college kids from around the us donating summers, winters, spring breaks to help out these people. had a similar scenario occured in say la (rodney king riots), memphis, cincy (annual summer race riots) detroit, nyc, boston, chicago, etc i have no doubt youd see similar results on a similarly relative scale.
an issue with america today is to many people stand and wait around for the world to come to them, we dont drive ourselves. our country lacks many things, the greatest of them is lack of leadership. this country refuses to step up on their dare to be great moments, jfk to the moon, ww2, ww1, etc. i really wonder if people today would go without-tires, sugar, butter, new clothes, new cars, fruits, grew victory gardens, steel, soap, millions of their sons die to defend the lives of people around the world. i have no doubt that if jfk were to make his great statement today wed all brush it off with little or no interest. we live in a country were 30% of the people work as members of the labor force and the rest ride the coattails of those workers who wallow in mediocrity....
"and so, my fellow americans-ask not what your country can do for you; ask what you can do for your country"
i think what nsb is pointing at is that while things happened, many great things happened also, neighborhoods working together, college kids from around the us donating summers, winters, spring breaks to help out these people. had a similar scenario occured in say la (rodney king riots), memphis, cincy (annual summer race riots) detroit, nyc, boston, chicago, etc i have no doubt youd see similar results on a similarly relative scale.
an issue with america today is to many people stand and wait around for the world to come to them, we dont drive ourselves. our country lacks many things, the greatest of them is lack of leadership. this country refuses to step up on their dare to be great moments, jfk to the moon, ww2, ww1, etc. i really wonder if people today would go without-tires, sugar, butter, new clothes, new cars, fruits, grew victory gardens, steel, soap, millions of their sons die to defend the lives of people around the world. i have no doubt that if jfk were to make his great statement today wed all brush it off with little or no interest. we live in a country were 30% of the people work as members of the labor force and the rest ride the coattails of those workers who wallow in mediocrity....
"and so, my fellow americans-ask not what your country can do for you; ask what you can do for your country"
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Taosman
Your Cousin In New Mexxico
fourteenandoh;1210944; said:
I think this is a good observation. Just imagine the consequences of another east coast or west coast blackout in the July heat. No power for air conditioners, ice makers, food storage, trains, even pumping gas! Just imagine if you couldn't get a cold Mountain Dew!
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martinss01
blissfully stupid
Taosman;1210680; said:
i wouldn't consider it too cynical, no. as history has proven time and time again society has always been 1 or 2 major events from falling into chaos. if you study the fall of any major civilization or power you will find that anarchy tends to reign until someone comes along with enough physical power to exert their will. at which point stability and government of some form begins to form.
as far as storing food, water, and having a plan for natural disasters. your a fool if you don't. while we do pay people stupid amounts of money to take care of us in times of need (FEMA for example), that doesn't mean they will be in a position to help each individual in a timely manner. you as an individual must be prepared to take care of yourself until help can arrive. this could take hours, or it could take weeks. YOU need to be prepared because at the end of the day, its YOUR ass thats on the line.
depending on where you are and the issues you could face. this could include stockpiling food, water, securing a safe living environment, and could possibly require physically defending yourself from others.
MightbeaBuck;1210745; said:
i don't think you are being fair. first and foremost, state and local gov. seemed rather surprised and unprepared for the katrina flooding. second, that was FEMA's first real "at bat". they didn't do so well, but then most don't their first go around. lastly (and imo the most important) we are comparing the independence level and survival skills of persons living in large cities or rural areas to that of small towns and farmers.
as someone who grew up on a farm and has lived in cincy for 10 years now. i feel the mentality is totally different. here in cincinnati help is minutes away. when i was on the farm, help was an hour away at best and thats assuming you have access to some form of communication. people in general become accustomed to the level of response from public systems. water, power, communications, public transportation, police, fire, medical care. few ever consider the possibility that such an infrastructure can be taken away. so when it is, those who are hardest hit are the ones who depend on it the most/expect the quickest response. those who are accustomed to long wait times (typically more rural) are generally able to cope with longer delays because they are accustomed to a certain level of self reliance to begin with.
i personally am of the opinion that had katrina and the ensuing flooding hit any other major city in this country the end result would have been the same.
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Buckeneye
I lead, you follow.
Here's a prime example of what I'm talking about -
I was a senior in high school when this happened, so its been a couple years. I live in a very rural town about... lets say an hour or slightly more NE of Cleveland; about 15 minutes from the Penn line.
A young man, (I'll just use his first name) named Kyle really enjoyed hip-hop.
Now I do more than the next, but this guy actually started getting into it over the course of a couple years. He wasnt the most pleasent person, and in word rather.... creepy. He ended up making a demo CD that contained 6 tracks. And to hopefully gain some publicity, took about 75 CD's and put them on the cars of the senior class while they were in school. I recieved a copy and took it home, didn't listen of course - because I just thought it was junk. Little did I know what would happen 3rd period next day.
I'm in senior court enjoying the last couple months of my high school career - then over the loud speaker comes the principle. Telling everyone to get into their homerooms and for the teachers to lock the doors. There's been a bomb threat. Swat teams show up, along with bomb sweepers and dogs to comb the entire school; we were in lockdown for nearly 4 hours. The mayor's office was put under guard and the security at our country courthouse was on lockdown.
Why? Apparently some of this kids lyrics were suggesting violence and retalition against the school, and the authorities. The Chief of police's daughter got ahold of one of the demo CD's, gave it to her dad, and he deemed it a threat after listening to it.
This went on for a couple days, and was actually on Fox 8 news. I was actually on Fox 8 @10 because the camera crews started interviewing us as we left the school parking lot. It was a HUGE deal here. Folkes were wondering if there was going to be gang violence etc etc...
The police asked that all CD's be turned in, I never gave mine up. Eventually before the weekend was over, (about 4-5 days after all this madness) the kid turned himself in, saying he didnt mean to scare anybody and he didnt understand what the big deal was.
About a month later the police gave people back their CD's. I on the other hand listened to the FULL thing, start to finish, front to back without hitting pause, or fast-forward. The ONLY thing the kid EVER mentioned was something along these lines " tell the cops to catch me now". There was no threat, no school association, NOTHING.... and I mean NOTHING even remotely close to what the authorites claimed.
My point - it doesnt take much for somebody to over-react (especially higher up) and induce paranoia.
Anybody ever see that Twilight Zone episode (or the Outer Limits, cant remember) Where the neighborhood turns on itself out of fear that other people are monsters? - same thing.
Its easy for people to spread the word.... and that word, is panic.
I was a senior in high school when this happened, so its been a couple years. I live in a very rural town about... lets say an hour or slightly more NE of Cleveland; about 15 minutes from the Penn line.
A young man, (I'll just use his first name) named Kyle really enjoyed hip-hop.
Now I do more than the next, but this guy actually started getting into it over the course of a couple years. He wasnt the most pleasent person, and in word rather.... creepy. He ended up making a demo CD that contained 6 tracks. And to hopefully gain some publicity, took about 75 CD's and put them on the cars of the senior class while they were in school. I recieved a copy and took it home, didn't listen of course - because I just thought it was junk. Little did I know what would happen 3rd period next day.
I'm in senior court enjoying the last couple months of my high school career - then over the loud speaker comes the principle. Telling everyone to get into their homerooms and for the teachers to lock the doors. There's been a bomb threat. Swat teams show up, along with bomb sweepers and dogs to comb the entire school; we were in lockdown for nearly 4 hours. The mayor's office was put under guard and the security at our country courthouse was on lockdown.
Why? Apparently some of this kids lyrics were suggesting violence and retalition against the school, and the authorities. The Chief of police's daughter got ahold of one of the demo CD's, gave it to her dad, and he deemed it a threat after listening to it.
This went on for a couple days, and was actually on Fox 8 news. I was actually on Fox 8 @10 because the camera crews started interviewing us as we left the school parking lot. It was a HUGE deal here. Folkes were wondering if there was going to be gang violence etc etc...
The police asked that all CD's be turned in, I never gave mine up. Eventually before the weekend was over, (about 4-5 days after all this madness) the kid turned himself in, saying he didnt mean to scare anybody and he didnt understand what the big deal was.
About a month later the police gave people back their CD's. I on the other hand listened to the FULL thing, start to finish, front to back without hitting pause, or fast-forward. The ONLY thing the kid EVER mentioned was something along these lines " tell the cops to catch me now". There was no threat, no school association, NOTHING.... and I mean NOTHING even remotely close to what the authorites claimed.
My point - it doesnt take much for somebody to over-react (especially higher up) and induce paranoia.
Anybody ever see that Twilight Zone episode (or the Outer Limits, cant remember) Where the neighborhood turns on itself out of fear that other people are monsters? - same thing.
Its easy for people to spread the word.... and that word, is panic.
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Gatorubet
Loathing All Things Georgia
jimotis4heisman;1211407; said:
What specific fact was this gibberish supposed to convey? I have added topic headers to your post to aid our discussion, and refer to them now.
1) Have you ever even been there, or if so, more than a weekend on Bourbon Street? What is the basis of your claim? 2) What the hell does this garbled mess mean? 3) Without in any way approving of Willy Wonka or Blankstare, can you give examples of what you claim and a link to the specifics of the FEMA "plan" that was disregarded? 4) See response to 2) above.
Your assistance is appreciated.
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jimotis4heisman
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refernece is to a welfare state not to the welfare system. the results of such a state are tens of thousands in NOLA who look to federal and state governments to solve issues problems and provide solutions, stability and often times food (food stamps, school lunches (more than 3/5 kids in NOLA are in a free lunch program)) transportation (or discounted bus etc fairs) along with defined income subsidies such as welfare, section 8 hud and many other medical, social and economic porgrams. slice it on the reality that for generations many of those in such areas have been on the cusp since lincoln was president, faltering education system, whatever you want anyone who has lived, traveled or spent extensive time in NOLA. this is nothing specific to NOLA alone, many areas have similar issues. cast the race issue aside.The nunber of Americans living off the "welfare state" is 1.76 million out of over 300 million Americans. That is a very small percentage.
if youve spend time outside of the french quarter and garden district of NOLA you know that issues were present pre katrina. 1/4 were below the poverty line, tens out thousands in public housing, you hear so much about the 9th ward what about the sixth? tons of money has been funneled to the area, it is the system and welfare state which grew and swallowed so much that was intended for residents. i mean we can have the fish or fishing pole argument all you want but the past is the past and im a man of here, today and tomorrow-not of should, could, would haves... thousands relied on the government for transportation of their daily life, what happens then in an emergency? not good... want to blame bush-fine, nagin-fine, clinton-fine, reagan-fine, lbj-fine but that gets no where. we as a country have spent decades and billions in the big easy to get to the point that a fourth of the people were below federal poeverty standards. that says a lot to me... no doubt that the topics and converstions on fixing the issue are above me but recognization of the problems are key, you have poor people living below sea level in a coastal (warm water) area. not good...
like i said not doubt that this is situation that could have happened in many areas
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jimotis4heisman
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Gatorubet;1212042; said:
1-yes, yes
you have a cat 4 hurricane headed at a major population center and you evacuate it a day before, not good. mississippi was hit much harder than la. even nagin himself said that those in the superdome ("the refuge of last resort" would need to bring food and water for themselve-atleast 3 days worth. i think you also have to remember that this was the first evacuation of NOLA since the civil war. the reality is how do you get supplies into a city at or below sea level during a hurricane? airlift, truck, rail, ship? no-no-no-no it was unrealistic. im a firm believer in responsibility for you own actions and success comes from hard work and plannning not luck. blaming nagin-blanco-bush, anyone gets you me and no one else no where.
realities are that the city was flooded or 80% of it some parts with more than the 15 feet. blame the army if you want, blame the founders of the city, blame the mississippi, river, mother nature whoever it doesnt help. this was the larges exvacuation of a major urban area in the history of the country, more than 90% of the people go out. you have a major urban area and a major city center surrounded by water, much of which is above it with lake pontchartrain, ther river etc. you have an area of orleans, jefferson, st bernard that is 49% below sea level, 51 percent above with those above high neighborhood ranges are 10-12 feet, heck the superdome is only what 2 feet above sea level... wasnt it betsy that caused the last big issue. i mean you ahve the entire flood act of 65? that was billions of dollars behind and barely 3/4 complete.
the results of the horrifying natural disaster were deaths, billions of dollars in damages, fema evacuation to houston by greyhound, the martial law costs, fema trailers, the convntion center ordeal, military costs, the fema trailers-which were emergency units meant for temp housing that housed people for how long? and many others. hell like i said slice it dice it could have happened anywhere.
on the fema plans, they were not on file as required. thats the fact. but, NOLA wasnt the only city.
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