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How Do You Defend the Spread Offense?

Bobby Hoying

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It seems like every team around the country is trying to utlize the spread offense to negate mismatches. Drew Brees ran it at Purdue, Florida is running it with Tebow, we faced it at Washington this year, etc.

How do you best defend the spread offense?

1. What do you need in terms of personnel? Quick and fast DBs, or big DTs?
2. What do you need to remember when you play against it? Keep everything in front of you and make good open field tackles?
 
Watch everything Michigan does. Then don't do that.

In all seriousness, I figure you need really good athletic linebackers and DE's more than anything else. Spread offense means a lot of extra receivers that can't always be covered by the DB's. Gotta have linebackers that can cover the tight end or the slot receiver(s), read the run correctly, and hustle to the point of attack wherever it is. And your DE's need to contain the outside to stop the runs outside the tackles that the spread offense likes to do.

I think a 3-4 would be better against the spread than a 4-3. Fight fire with fire, so to speak - the 3-4 is sort of a "spread defense" that can line up the OLB's as pseudo-DE's and clog the middle of the field with extra defenders in a zone coverage.

Disclaimer: I am not a defensive coordinator.
 
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Not the way we game plan it either. first off let me rant one more time please... ENOUGH OF THIS 3 lineman, 3 linebacker SHIT!

Now back to the question. Honestly I think the only thing thats needed is a strong defensive line. You need to be able to get to the QB without blitzing, and you need to be able to penetrate to disrupt the running lanes without blitzing as well. When you can't do that and you find yourself sending blitz after blitz you're leaving holes and targets wide open for the offense.

Having a lockdown secondary isn't necessary because if the QB doesn't have the time to throw then what does it matter??

To me its a big, strong, and fast D-line and thats really it. If you have semi-talented DBs/LBs you can cover that up with a good line. However if you don't have a good line there's no hiding SHIT.
 
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It's possible to get around a good defensive line. First off, if they're getting too much pressure, a couple successful screen passes and draw plays will put an end to that. Second, you can nullify pressure with a good three-step drop and quick slant. And a QB with some wheels (doesn't even have to be a running QB, just a reasonably mobile one) can dodge pressure. Good linebackers aren't as susceptible to this kind of stuff.
 
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Hubbard you made my night....WHY IN THE FUCK WOULD A COACHING STAFF DECIDE TO RUN A 3-3-5 (going more speed than size) against a team that depends on running the ball? We have speed at Linebacker/DB to compete with them, and there was no god damn need to sacrafice some beef up front for MORE speed.

The only reason I can think of is we don't have the numbers at DT/DE to do it? Which I'm sure is the reason, but we have 4 healthy lineman and let them play all game. I mean these boys have done it in High School so just let them play. When we came out in the 3-3-5 I said to myself? wow this could get bad if they run downhill at us. Well 1 play after I said that Dufrane goes for 88 yards or something liek that. I think the game plan offensively/defensively was shit. Sometimes I think coaches over think it to be honest. What does Illinois do well? Run the ball.. so what do we do? Oh we let them run into defensive front that boasts a a front 7 with a 220 pound stand up defensive end. BRILLIANT...

As for offensively... We better figure out how to start move the ball besides beanie because to me teams have figured out that they need to stop the deep ball (and have the past 2 weeks). Boeckman the past two weeks has been average at best, and something needs to be worked out there to get todd back on target. I think the coaches have given him too much slack..
 
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I have seen the spread as a problem, but what you are referring to is more of an option spread hybrid, spread offense just means that you spread the ball out, there's no set receivers, however, once you toss in an option quarterback it becomes a real pain in the ass. In the past, the solution has been to hit the QB hard and make him think twice before running, once he crosses the line of scrimage he's just like a running back, receiver, whatever, you can drill him. In 2002, we did that with Dorsey, we made he think real hard before running that football and the result was evident. As far as just the general spread goes, your safeties need to be able to cover tight ends, and your corners need to be able to handle 1-on-1 coverage without a problem.

Todays problem wasn't so much covering the spread as it was spending too much time preparing for the option. We put too many people on the line and as a result you wound up with receivers either 1-on-1 with corners or worse yet, wide open. A lot of teams are trying this and defenses will adapt, but the end result is you have to put the QB on his back and make him revert back to a more traditional style spread offense, ie: remove the running quarterback factor.

With Washington, we did this, we hit Locker hard and made his coach think twice before having him run the ball, one good hit ruins your season. And even more than any other offense, losing your QB means major adjustments for the entire offensive scheme. Not just his arm, but his legs make receivers get open because the linebackers run up when they anticipate the run, so he takes two steps forwards, suddenly your tight end is open in the middle and there's a 20 yard completion. Now if you remove that element, the linebackers don't worry so much, stick to their man and you have a football game.
 
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bukIpower;990556; said:
Hubbard you made my night....WHY IN THE FUCK WOULD A COACHING STAFF DECIDE TO RUN A 3-3-5 (going more speed than size) against a team that depends on running the ball? We have speed at Linebacker/DB to compete with them, and there was no god damn need to sacrafice some beef up front for MORE speed.

That theory works only until you see the QB having 4 passing TDs.....

The best way to defend the spread is to play a basic contain defense, not allowing the option to burn you to the inside and to have your interior defensive lineman take up space inside so the running lanes and cutback lanes are filled.

the 3-3-5 isn't built for this type of defense obviously. Sometimes the 4-3 isn't either, it depends on the DBs involved.

However, given that Illinois likes to go with 4 and 5 WR sets sometimes, the 5th DB and sometimes a 6th DB are almost necessary.

The spread is a cast iron bitch to stop if the offense runs it correctly.
 
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Guys the coaches didnt just put the nickel defense on the field because they were guessing how to stop the spread...They have a plan with it...

Also if we add more beef up the middle that allows the offense to spread the ball to the receivers more, but the defense in different positions where you have receivers on lbs, then in position where you have DT's trying to run down a fast QB...Why do that?

With our safeties coleman and Russell we have 2 guys back there that can move up to closer to the line and act as a OLB...WE moved Grant up to DE then moved one of them up...

The thing is everytime we tried to stunt, we tried to blitz, they beat us...

We loaded the box on their first run, they opened up a little crease and we had no one in the middle of the field and we went for 80 yards...

We brought guys up to the line and played a cover 3 or cover 1 not sure which, but we had one safety in the middle of the field and they sent 2 guys on seams, and they took advantage for a td...

On the goal line on the td to Gamble our DBs ran into each other...We tried to blitz 6, they picked up...

We didnt just sit in a 3-3-5 all day, honestly most of the time it looked more like a 4-2 straight nickel, but there was so many different packages that we ran at them, they just seemed to exploit the weakness on everyplay...

It had nothing to do with the scheme...It had to lots with reading, reacting, getting off blocks, and making plays...

After they started hitting us with some big plays we were on our heels and werent just flying to the ball...

You stop the spread the same way you stop most other offenses by getting off blocks, reading, reacting, staying in your lanes, flying to the football, tackling and covering...Of course the offense dictates that you put more dbs on the field or they beat you with speed, but the same principles apply...
 
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OCBucksFan;990557; said:
I have seen the spread as a problem, but what you are referring to is more of an option spread hybrid, spread offense just means that you spread the ball out, there's no set receivers, however, once you toss in an option quarterback it becomes a real pain in the ass. In the past, the solution has been to hit the QB hard and make him think twice before running, once he crosses the line of scrimage he's just like a running back, receiver, whatever, you can drill him. In 2002, we did that with Dorsey, we made he think real hard before running that football and the result was evident. As far as just the general spread goes, your safeties need to be able to cover tight ends, and your corners need to be able to handle 1-on-1 coverage without a problem.

Todays problem wasn't so much covering the spread as it was spending too much time preparing for the option. We put too many people on the line and as a result you wound up with receivers either 1-on-1 with corners or worse yet, wide open. A lot of teams are trying this and defenses will adapt, but the end result is you have to put the QB on his back and make him revert back to a more traditional style spread offense, ie: remove the running quarterback factor.

With Washington, we did this, we hit Locker hard and made his coach think twice before having him run the ball, one good hit ruins your season. And even more than any other offense, losing your QB means major adjustments for the entire offensive scheme. Not just his arm, but his legs make receivers get open because the linebackers run up when they anticipate the run, so he takes two steps forwards, suddenly your tight end is open in the middle and there's a 20 yard completion. Now if you remove that element, the linebackers don't worry so much, stick to their man and you have a football game.

As strange as it seems, I agree that hitting the QB hard is the most important part of defending the kind of offense IU ran today. It worked last year (though he was a freshman). VERY few hard hits on Juice today. When you're not playing inspired, those big hits don't come.
 
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I agree... Getting off blocks, reading and reacting is key to defending something like Illinois. However, you can't read/react and do shit when you have lineman on you. You need people to eat up some blocks.

I don't care how many recievers they put out there. This was a QB who was passing for like 54 percent, he has been turnover prone, and more importantly he's used mainly for his RUNNING ability. The nickle/3-3-5 or whatever you wanna call it was not the smart thing to do IMO. I mean you have a running team going for 260 a game (which they got by the way) you don't put your nickle package in the game. If we run a 4-3 defense with a cover 3 zone I think that would've been just fine. This way you have a Saftey playing the pass on shorter stuff (which could be used to come down into the box) and also another to cover deep. With the recievers they have they shouldn't have been able to go deep. We were forced to blitz/stunt because we couldn't put pressure on them. To me if we rush 4 DLINEMAN we could've gotten the job much better!! To me it seemed like we were more worried about #9 Benn, and the outside game much much more than the hard nosed inside game.

You said we were in many differnet packages TRUE, but one thing I didn't see was a true 4-3 out there. WHY not is what I'm asking? I mean if they're still ripping off runs no matter what your'e doing why the hell don't we go back to base? Why do we even claim that 4-3 is our base? we never run it anyways?
 
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The Illinois skill position players - QB, RB, WR's - would set, would look to the sideline coaches before most plays, reset, then run the play. My assumption is that they were getting a final order, based upon the OSU alignment, of the play direction.

I was hoping that after halftime the OSU defense would start making adjustments as the Illinois players were looking to their sideline to keep the Illinois coaches from calling audibles from the sidelines with upper-deck booth help.

Can someone please tell me why I am stupid and Heacock knew exactly what he was trying to do? (I mean on this topic specifically, I already know Heacock makes me look like the Bengals D-coordinator on a bad day)
 
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