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HC Ryan Day (B1G Coach of Year, B1G Champion, National Champion)

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We need a wholesale modernization of the offense, on the level of what Day brought taking the offense over from Urban. Our pass offense asks too much of the line and the QB, and gives too much initiative over to the opposing defensive coordinator to be aggressive. Everything is 2-3 reads plus a dump down, trying to give our WRs a chance to beat their guy for a big damaging play. But when we want to go from 1st and 10 to just 2nd and 5, or needing 3-5 yards on third down... we need schemed open plays that are only designed to get just that much. I think this will also take a lot of pressure off of the red zone offense, where you can't really depend on WRs beating their guy because the end zone is an extra defender.

Even at the NFL level, you see this everywhere. I watch a lot of Bears. That has been the recipe for Caleb Williams this season and the major adjustment Ben Johnson has made. You see it in SF in how they use McCaffrey and Kittle. You saw it from Miami on how they use their #10 guy (forget his name), or just how they consistently get off to a good start on first down and convert third and makeable.

In a pretty shocking turn, I think offensive schemes have left Ryan Day behind and he is now running a pretty dated scheme. I think he has always asked his QBs to do a lot... he wants to load them up with several options and reads on each play. But Mendoza (6th year senior), Beck (who knows how long he's been in college) are beating you with 1 and 2 read passing games... at some point you have to see what is working against your defense and think "maybe I should incorporate some of this".

My preference would be a young, outside hire OC who has exposure to these modern offensive systems. I think JT Barrett has learned a ton and gets rave reviews in both Detroit and now Chicago. I would give him a look. I don't really know lots of coaching trees and names... not my bag... but modernization needs to be the name of the game.

Day saw that we needed wholesale scheme changes on defense and to his credit he made good hires there back to back. He has the chance to make a similarly impactful decision now on the offensive side of the ball... but will he make it given that he sees offense as 'his' thing?
 
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Merih said:
We need a wholesale modernization of the offense, on the level of what Day brought taking the offense over from Urban. Our pass offense asks too much of the line and the QB, and gives too much initiative over to the opposing defensive coordinator to be aggressive. Everything is 2-3 reads plus a dump down, trying to give our WRs a chance to beat their guy for a big damaging play. But when we want to go from 1st and 10 to just 2nd and 5, or needing 3-5 yards on third down... we need schemed open plays that are only designed to get just that much. I think this will also take a lot of pressure off of the red zone offense, where you can't really depend on WRs beating their guy because the end zone is an extra defender.

Even at the NFL level, you see this everywhere. I watch a lot of Bears. That has been the recipe for Caleb Williams this season and the major adjustment Ben Johnson has made. You see it in SF in how they use McCaffrey and Kittle. You saw it from Miami on how they use their #10 guy (forget his name), or just how they consistently get off to a good start on first down and convert third and makeable.

In a pretty shocking turn, I think offensive schemes have left Ryan Day behind and he is now running a pretty dated scheme. I think he has always asked his QBs to do a lot... he wants to load them up with several options and reads on each play. But Mendoza (6th year senior), Beck (who knows how long he's been in college) are beating you with 1 and 2 read passing games... at some point you have to see what is working against your defense and think "maybe I should incorporate some of this".

My preference would be a young, outside hire OC who has exposure to these modern offensive systems. I think JT Barrett has learned a ton and gets rave reviews in both Detroit and now Chicago. I would give him a look. I don't really know lots of coaching trees and names... not my bag... but modernization needs to be the name of the game.

Day saw that we needed wholesale scheme changes on defense and to his credit he made good hires there back to back. He has the chance to make a similarly impactful decision now on the offensive side of the ball... but will he make it given that he sees offense as 'his' thing?
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Uhh did you watch this whole season we were 5 yard passes the the whole year. We weren't constantly trying for chunk plays there is a reason we were having 10-18 plays drives. Day called more chunk plays this game yes and he had them. The QB was just shook. You need both. You can't throw short all the time or teams sit on them like they they did on the screen and you start getting ints cause you compressed the field. The issue is we were missing the mid range game most of the season. It was 0-10 yard passes or deep balls. The 15 yard outs and ins the 12 yard slants etc seemed to disappear a lot.
 
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dragurd said:
Uhh did you watch this whole season we were 5 yard passes the the whole year. We weren't constantly trying for chunk plays there is a reason we were having 10-18 plays drives. Day called more chunk plays this game yes and he had them. The QB was just shook. You need both. You can't throw short all the time or teams sit on them like they they did on the screen and you start getting ints cause you compressed the field. The issue is we were missing the mid range game most of the season. It was 0-10 yard passes or deep balls. The 15 yard outs and ins the 12 yard slants etc seemed to disappear a lot.
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I agree, the last 2 games were just a young QB, being a young QB. Only option he had was to try the backup, but that would have completely shattered Sayins confidence going forward. Hopefully Sayin learns alot from the last 2 games and lights it up next year
 
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I don't know enough about scheme to know whether Day's offense is outdated, but the experience of Howard, burst of Judkins and Henderson, and a stable right side of the OL was the difference between last year and this one.

More than changing scheme, they need
1. Sayin to deal with pressure and see the middle of the field
2. Moore to start and either get another OT or move Siereveld to RT
3. Get Bo and West accustomed to pass pro while getting stronger
4. Get an RB with burst to push Bo and West

They could use a WR2 along with a few other things, but the above would go a long way to make the offense more consistent and difficult to defend.
 
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1926Buckeyes said:
I don't know enough about scheme to know whether Day's offense is outdated, but the experience of Howard, burst of Judkins and Henderson, and a stable right side of the OL was the difference between last year and this one.

More than changing scheme, they need
1. Sayin to deal with pressure and see the middle of the field
2. Moore to start and either get another OT or move Siereveld to RT
3. Get Bo and West accustomed to pass pro while getting stronger
4. Get an RB with burst to push Bo and West

They could use a WR2 along with a few other things, but the above would go a long way to make the offense more consistent and difficult to defend.
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Chris Henry is starting that’s why WR are baling.
 
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1926Buckeyes said:
I don't know enough about scheme to know whether Day's offense is outdated, but the experience of Howard, burst of Judkins and Henderson, and a stable right side of the OL was the difference between last year and this one.
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This.

Day's offense has ranked inside the top 4 in efficiency 6 times in the 8 years he's been primary OC & HC.

The two years it was outside the top 4 he had McCord at QB and rFR Sayin at QB.

The 6 years of top 4 he had Fields, Stroud and Howard.

I'm going to roll with "It's the Quarterback stupid" mixed with a little bit of "not all first year QB's are CJ Stroud" and not lose any sleep over Day's "outdated" offense or Sayin's eventual development

4 days into the off season and I already hate it more than the loss to Miami. Some truly epic nonsense being spewed already.
 
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