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HC Ryan Day (2019 B1G Media COY)

Please do. I would very much like to see them.

How hot could that topic have been while Day was taking over and Vrabel was firmly entrenched as an NFL coach not on the hot seat? Like why would the NFL beat even care to ask a follow up and what motivation would he have to open up and tell the truth? All I'm saying is what you said then may not be how he feels now, if he wasn't just moving past the question to not stir shit during a transition at his former school.
Like I said, he may very well have had a change of heart. If so, great. Don't misunderstand me, I'm not at all against Vrabel coming to OSU. I think he would add an element that seems to have been missing for the last several years. My comments have just been related to what he has said previously. He very well could be as pissed off as the rest of us. Considering he's something of a Buckeye legend, I hope he is. I would love to someone interview him NOW on the subject and hear what he has to say.
 
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Just sayin': Yeah, you guys are correct. Just how many colleges would fire their football coach after finishing in the 10 top nationally (after the regular season), getting into the CFPs, and having a top 5 recruiting class committed for 2025?

Hell, Cooper had a 2-10-1 record against scum. He had to lose to them 10½ times before he was fired..... :lol:
And even with all the losses, there was more to Cooper's firing than just the losses to TCUN. The entire program was rotting from the inside.
 
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It makes sense that you're still so confused. I love your optimism, but the writing is on the wall. Ryan Day just got out-coached by Sherrone freaking Moore. For the second year in a row.

This is the worst TTUN team IN A DECADE, and Day LOST.

You Ryan Day sunshine pumpers like to talk about Tressel and Meyer facing sub-par TTUN teams in The Game. Well GUESS FREAKING WHAT? Tressel and Meyer NEVER lost to those sub-par TTUN teams. They beat the pants off of them.

This loss is even worse than 1996. The Blue actually had a somewhat respectable team in '96. THIS Blew team was barely bowl eligible.

This is the worst loss in my entire life, and it isn't particularly close.
Correct. In 1995 and 1996 scUM was ranked. In 1993 they were unranked when they beat us, but finished the year in the top 25. This year they are total shit. Might have to go back to Wes Fesler and the Snow Bowl to find a worse upset.
 
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I'm no Day supporter by any stretch, but it wouldn't matter how much I want him gone, at my lowest I'd never dream of taking my frustrations off of a message board into real life. It's a fucking game. That's just gross. We have such a toxic fanbase.
This is the world we live in today thanks to social media, amongst other things. It’s so sad and wrong and a lot of people think they have the right. Unfortunately. I don’t see it getting better before it gets worse.
 
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Correct. In 1995 and 1996 scUM was ranked. In 1993 they were unranked when they beat us, but finished the year in the top 25. This year they are total shit. Might have to go back to Wes Fesler and the Snow Bowl to find a worse upset.

95 and 96 they were objectively a reasonably good team who just underachieved 96 especially they ended the regular season with 3 losses but won @ a top 10 Colorado team OOC.
 
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Honestly, which Tressel OLs were great? I keep hearing about his great OLs and run game and the OL was almost always a mess and the run game took the whole season to gel. And I'd argue his DL dropped off after Cooper's players left.



Disagree about the players, agree on the coach.
Well, if you throw out 2002/2003 and say well those are Cooper players...

2005/2006: Nick Mangold, Rob Sims, Doug Datish, TJ Downing, Kirk Barton. We added Alex Boone and Steve Rehring the year or two after. This line helped Troy win a Heisman trophy, National Title Birth, 1 v 2 UM game... Yeah we won all these games with finesse. Not with trench warfare. Won B1G titles, played in national titles, beat UM.

2009/2010: Jim Cordle, Bryant Browning, Mike Brewster, JB Shugarts, Andrew Norwell. Won a Rose Bowl against Oregon, won a Sugar Bowl against Arkansas. Won B1G titles, came up short with Rose and Sugar BCS berths, beat UM.
 
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What the University wants is to keep the money machine going, ultimately. I hate to put it so bluntly, but Ohio State football is the veritable diamond mine. Why does the athletic department turn a profit? Football being a licensing and merchandise behemoth and ultimately one of the 3 biggest draws on TV, which equated to not 1, not 2, but 3 monstrous TV deals. Are there cracks in that armor? I don't really think so.

Moving the money aspect out of the way (which isn't reality but I had to transition somehow) - how do they define the goals in the contract? He represents the university professionally, he does not run afoul of the NCAA or Big Ten regulations that anyone knows of, and he seems to have boundless energy for all of the required media spots, public outings, etc. Not to mention, outside of 1 particular game, which no one seems to understand isn't an actual stipulation in his contract, he's winning something like 88% of his games.

Bjork is not an Ohio State alumnus. He's a businessman first. President Carter is a retired Navy Admiral. The Board of Trustees, for the most part, try to keep the football factory and the university under the same umbrella - meaning no one is likely go to rogue like that turd for Ped State (Lubrano) and start posting bullshit on fan sites. What that means to me is all 3 of those people/entities are going to view this far more dispassionately than us, the fans, will.

Another factor that people are mentioning and/or stumbling too is the landscape is changing/has changed and is still evolving. NIL is about to be entirely different with direct compensation. The wild wild west era is about to be over, I think, for the most part. In the past 3 years, you've had two dynastic coaches retire (Saban and Stoops), a crumbling empire in Clemson (and potentially Bama) and the most recent back to back champion (UGA) seemingly show cracks in their own invincibility.

Did Saturday suck? Yes.

Is the world over for Ohio State football if Ryan Day is the head football coach on August 1st, 2025? Absolutely not.

Is the risk/reward of firing Day potentially gargantuan? Yes.

Is that a reason to not pull the trigger? Potentially.

This is the first hire in my living memory that carries these risks. What was the risk in hiring Tressel? The program was already struggling and Cooper was clearly out of gas. There was no way to judge Fickell at the end of the Tressel era due to the massive amounts of players missing (not to mention there was a certain coach waiting out there at that time). The risk there was, in my IMO, not moving fast enough to get Meyer on board. I wasn't around yet for the Earle Bruce hire and wasn't paying attention quite that deeply when Bruce was fired and Cooper hired.

I can say that if they DO pull the trigger and fire him, and I said it Saturday, Bjork's entire era will be defined by it.

Someone who has access to all of the variables within the WHAC (Bjork and his staff) are likely putting together a risk matrix. I think, ultimately, that risk matrix makes this pretty cut and dried, even if I disagree with the outcome.

While I said I would have done it Saturday, and ultimately I DO think a new voice may be needed/necessary, when I factor all that together, I don't personally think Day gets fired at this time and I do believe, short of a 60 point loss in the CFP or some sort of NCAA violations or NFL job taking him away, that he will be the head coach on August 1st, 2025.
Very well stated and thorough response. Thanks @Mike80
 
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I’m more curious as to what Urban saw in Day to recommend him. Why does/did he think he was the right guy? What qualities made him the guy and pushed the University from doing its due diligence in a national search?

We all know Urban doesn’t have the best track record when it comes to hiring assistants. This honestly smacks of another he’s my guy, so of course he’s gonna be good scenario.

I’m as disappointed in the University for their part in this hire as I am Urban.
Current state of the program: Dayed and Confused

I think it’s fairly obvious what people see in Ryan Day. He’s articulate, has high football concept IQ, and he says all the right things. Unfortunately, actions speak louder than words. He’s not a head coach. That’s ok. There are plenty of former head coaches in OC/DC roles, or even position coach roles. Those coaches have “earned” their positions, and so has Day.

One of my concerns with Day from the outset was his lack of “connections” in college football. I thought he addressed that by keeping Urban’s best and cutting dead weight. In reality, Day’s coaching tree is more like a graveyard.

He’s a really smart, high functioning dumb guy. The problem with this is they think they are the smartest guy in the room (or stadium) even when proven otherwise. You also can’t just fix dumb. There’s no 12 step program. There’s no rehab. I think worst of all it is infectious. Rather than lifting up position coaches, it seems like they have all been stuck in low orbit. If you ask me to recall one offensive highlight from the last 4 years against Michigan, I would have a hard time. Same for defense, outside of Sawyer’s interception on Saturday. Players aren’t making plays. While I think it is up to the players, I think it is influenced by the way they are being coached - scared.

I don’t hate the guy, I just think he should be old fashioned fired. The AD already has a short list because he knew this was a possibility when he was hired. It’s no secret it was Big Ten / National Championship or bust this year. Maybe OSU can wake up out of their Dayze, or maybe they’ll roll out a sequel to last year’s Cotton Bowl vs Missouri. Mind you, we’re less than a year removed from Ohio State’s last worst showing ever, where we (yes, the collective we) were embarrassed and Day and his staff were outcoached by a middle of the road SEC team and coach. They say they want it, but as we’ve learned, words are empty if you don’t know how.
 
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Well, if you throw out 2002/2003 and say well those are Cooper players...

2005/2006: Nick Mangold, Rob Sims, Doug Datish, TJ Downing, Kirk Barton. We added Alex Boone and Steve Rehring the year or two after. This line helped Troy win a Heisman trophy, National Title Birth, 1 v 2 UM game... Yeah we won all these games with finesse. Not with trench warfare. Won B1G titles, played in national titles, beat UM.

2009/2010: Jim Cordle, Bryant Browning, Mike Brewster, JB Shugarts, Andrew Norwell. Won a Rose Bowl against Oregon, won a Sugar Bowl against Arkansas. Won B1G titles, came up short with Rose and Sugar BCS berths, beat UM.
Sorry. You just earned a false start penalty for mentioning Shugarts.:biggrin:
 
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Current state of the program: Dayed and Confused

I think it’s fairly obvious what people see in Ryan Day. He’s articulate, has high football concept IQ, and he says all the right things. Unfortunately, actions speak louder than words. He’s not a head coach. That’s ok. There are plenty of former head coaches in OC/DC roles, or even position coach roles. Those coaches have “earned” their positions, and so has Day.

One of my concerns with Day from the outset was his lack of “connections” in college football. I thought he addressed that by keeping Urban’s best and cutting dead weight. In reality, Day’s coaching tree is more like a graveyard.

He’s a really smart, high functioning dumb guy. The problem with this is they think they are the smartest guy in the room (or stadium) even when proven otherwise. You also can’t just fix dumb. There’s no 12 step program. There’s no rehab. I think worst of all it is infectious. Rather than lifting up position coaches, it seems like they have all been stuck in low orbit. If you ask me to recall one offensive highlight from the last 4 years against Michigan, I would have a hard time. Same for defense, outside of Sawyer’s interception on Saturday. Players aren’t making plays. While I think it is up to the players, I think it is influenced by the way they are being coached - scared.

I don’t hate the guy, I just think he should be old fashioned fired. The AD already has a short list because he knew this was a possibility when he was hired. It’s no secret it was Big Ten / National Championship or bust this year. Maybe OSU can wake up out of their Dayze, or maybe they’ll roll out a sequel to last year’s Cotton Bowl vs Missouri. Mind you, we’re less than a year removed from Ohio State’s last worst showing ever, where we (yes, the collective we) were embarrassed and Day and his staff were outcoached by a middle of the road SEC team and coach. They say they want it, but as we’ve learned, words are empty if you don’t know how.
Agree 100%. Day is not a natural coach. And after 6 seasons, he is continually getting outcoached. Perhaps Day would be the ideal “CEO”. He is a great program leader, per se. But just not a coach.

Regardless, we need to ride this season out. There is a reasonable chance OSU makes some major noise in the CFP. Day is hopefully smart enough to know that he should be locked out of all offensive meetings and play calls. But if we lose in round 1, I think it’s time to jettison him and move on. He simply can’t win big games at a consistent pace and never vs a team with talent close to OSU. Sorry, that’s just the way it is.

Boosters aren’t going to continue to shell out huge $ to watch this stuff. Let’s face it…..OSU has thus far underperformed significantly the last 2 seasons and to a lesser extent 3 of the last 4. We have the talent and Day deserves credit for that……but without an overwhelming talent advantage, he is a average coach
 
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