HC Ryan Day (2019 B1G Media COY)

[BuckeyeNation27]

1. He gave up play calling to an experienced, SUCCESSFUL college play caller. Creative is up for debate.

2. Parker Fleming is gone as is Corey Dennis and Perry Eliano. Changes!! ZOMG!!

3. If it was being talked about in the press, it's hard to believe the "Larry Johnson situation" wasn't discussed behind closed doors. Just because YOU don't know anything about the outcome doesn't mean there wasn't one. YOU (nor I) are privy to everything nor should we be.

4. I realize you're a football fan, as am I, but wouldn't you think if you were going to go out and get one of those "experienced and creative play callers" that you'd want your "experienced and creative" playcaller in place FIRST before having him delve into the plethora of issues the oline has? I know I know I know, just do shit to placate the "fan"base and fuck cohesion and strategy! Yeah!! That'll fix it.

tl;dr like, what?

Again, you're acting like I'm complaining about any of these. I'm not*.....but YOU phrased the question like there are people out here just bitching and moaning because nothing is getting done. Those people don't exist. The complaints that people have are very defined. I gave them to you. You're choosing to ignore them. When they sign the #1 QB in the 2024, you're acting like anybody complaining about anything else is just moving the goal posts.

*with the exception of Fleming....who, if you weren't complaining about him then you'd need medical attention.

 

[Mike80]

Again, you're acting like I'm complaining about any of these. I'm not*.....but YOU phrased the question like there are people out here just bitching and moaning because nothing is getting done. Those people don't exist. The complaints that people have are very defined. I gave them to you. You're choosing to ignore them. When they sign the #1 QB in the 2024, you're acting like anybody complaining about anything else is just moving the goal posts.

*with the exception of Fleming....who, if you weren't complaining about him then you'd need medical attention.

They are....and you're literally complaining by listing your complaints that haven't been "Fixed" by your own admission.

And yes, I'm choosing to ignore them because some of them are ridiculous (especially you acting like they didn't Just sign the #1 defensive back #1 running back the previous #1 QB, etc etc), some of them are not something we're necessarily going to find out about until it happens (LJ Sr) and some of the things may still be in progress, like how that new OC guy being hired and working with Frye to see if there is an O-line strategy ready or if they need to get someone else.....

Day has done a decent job trying to reshape both the roster and coaching staff short of he resigning entirely. He had very marginal players (e.g. Reid Carrico as one) hit the portal, he got rid of the special teams coordinator who made them unspecial, the QB coach was was redundant with O'Buttchinian's hire and a recruiter that couldn't even recruit his own family members And you're still not happy.

Call it what you want, you're complaining. Seems like a weird hill to die on.

 

[Mike80]

I'm rather pleased with Day's moves so far ....

I'm still concerned that the OL will be the "Achilles Heel" for the 2024 team ....

I think a lot of the OLs issues were schematic in nature. This year's group didn't have the overall talent level to overcome it.

I'm fervently hoping BoB's hire will allow them to fix some of that. An increase in talent would be great too obviously but putting the kids in a place to be successful more often would be much appreciated and I think that was something that was lost at times last year.

 

[BuckeyeNation27]

They are....and you're literally complaining by listing your complaints that haven't been "Fixed" by your own admission.

And yes, I'm choosing to ignore them because some of them are ridiculous (especially you acting like they didn't Just sign the #1 defensive back #1 running back the previous #1 QB, etc etc), some of them are not something we're necessarily going to find out about until it happens (LJ Sr) and some of the things may still be in progress, like how that new OC guy being hired and working with Frye to see if there is an O-line strategy ready or if they need to get someone else.....

Day has done a decent job trying to reshape both the roster and coaching staff short of he resigning entirely. He had very marginal players (e.g. Reid Carrico as one) hit the portal, he got rid of the special teams coordinator who made them unspecial, the QB coach was was redundant with O'Buttchinian's hire and a recruiter that couldn't even recruit his own family members And you're still not happy.

Call it what you want, you're complaining. Seems like a weird hill to die on.

Let's rewind, because it's starting to piss me off how much you're not listening. You posted this:

You all wanted Day to do something. So he shook the tree, got rid of the deadweight and brought in absolute STUDS. And it's still somehow not good enough. Stop moving the goalposts already and just accept reality.

Which I thought was nonsense, because NOBODY was out there stomping their feet going DO SOMETHING without defining what SOMETHING was. Not one person. So I responded with some very valid complaints people had voiced about Ryan Day since the bowl game fiasco.....namely:
- give up play calling
- lose Fleming
- fix the LJ problem
- fix the OL

So right there.....that's not me complaining, no matter how much you want it to be. Wanna know how I know? Because I'm telling you. I can understand why you would think that's somebody complaining, but I'm telling you now for more than the second time...that's not me complaining. That's me listing things that people wanted fixed.

Short version: You made it seem like people were just complaining to complain with no actual things to fix, I corrected you.

You then doubled down with this nonsense:

Again and for the umpteenth time, I don't know what some of you people want. You wanted change. You got change.

Again.....as if there were people just screaming into the void "RYAN DAY.....JUST CHANGE ANYTHING AT ALL AND I'LL BE HAPPY". That is NOT what had ever happened.


My issue wasn't Ryan Day, my issue wasn't play calling, my issue wasn't Larry Johnson. When I replied, my issue was your bullshit characterization of things that WERE NOT HAPPENING. Why? Because I'm pedantic. Who fuckin knows.

Here's a comparison. Somebody named Frank lives in a house with their 2 parents, 1 brother, and a cat. The lawn needs to be mowed, the front door has fallen off it's hinges, the furnace only works on Fridays, and the maid doesn't know how to do her one job. So Frank goes to www.frankplanet.com and lists those things as problems with the house. Frank's dad comes home driving a brand new Corvette with the money he saved from firing the maid. Mike80 says "i DoN't UnDeRsTaNd WhY fRaNk Is StIlL cOmPlAiNiNg. He WaNtEd ChAnGe, He GoT cHaNgE."

So, since I'm pretty 100% certain I was being misunderstood by you...I'll grant you the possibility that your posts had me confused and I misunderstood what you were saying. But if what you're genuinely saying is "yOu WaNtEd ChAnGe, YoU gOt ChAnGe"......then that's a stupid comment to make in the face of what people have genuinely asked to have actually changed. Are those people right in wanting that change? Have things gone on behind the scenes to address those things? None of us know. But to paint the people who want legitimate things to change for legitimate reasons as implacable whiners whining for the sake of whining......that's not gonna fly.

 

[cjmik_75]

Clean up in aisle 7

 

[ScriptOhio]

College football's Seven likeliest coaches to win first national championship next season, ranked​

1. RYAN DAY, OHIO STATE​

Ryan Day and the Buckeyes went scorched earth on college football in the wake of their bowl loss to Missouri, a three-point stinker that followed the program's third consecutive setback against Michigan. What has transpired since would lead any offseason power ranking of elites in terms of talent acquisition. Ohio State has a top 10 transfer class with six commits, including five of the elite variety who have come to Columbus since Jan. 1. That group includes the No. 1 overall player in the portal — Alabama safety Caleb Downs — the top-ranked quarterback in the portal — Alabama freshman Julian Sayin — and Ole Miss star Quinshon Judkins, the No. 1 running back. Oh, and Day hired Bill O'Brien as his new offensive coordinator as well, a bold move to give up his play-calling expertise.

2. STEVE SARKISIAN, TEXAS​

3. DAN LANNING, OREGON​

4. LANE KIFFIN, OLE MISS​

5. MIKE NORVELL, FLORIDA STATE​

6. BRIAN KELLY, LSU​

7. KALEN DEBOER, ALABAMA​

 

[Mike80]

So, since I'm pretty 100% certain I was being misunderstood by you...I'll grant you the possibility that your posts had me confused and I misunderstood what you were saying. But if what you're genuinely saying is "yOu WaNtEd ChAnGe, YoU gOt ChAnGe"......then that's a stupid comment to make in the face of what people have genuinely asked to have actually changed. Are those people right in wanting that change? Have things gone on behind the scenes to address those things? None of us know. But to paint the people who want legitimate things to change for legitimate reasons as implacable whiners whining for the sake of whining......that's not gonna fly.

That's EXACTLY what I'm saying - but I think we did misunderstand each other in the fact that nothing we're going to want to see "changed" is going to happen 100% of the time. It's not my problem that some fans every want or desire hasn't been met. No one in the WHAC gives a shit what we want.

edit to add: I don't particularly want to piss anyone off, but if you can't see whats going on here vis-a-vis the 4 things you listed and WHY you may not know what is going on there, again, I can't help you.

Further, change is a process. It's not an overnight process most of the time. You want changes to be well thought out, on some sort of cohesive planning type structure and to ensure the risk does not outweigh the rewards. Day has done that. In droves. Hopefully it works. However, and it is sad to say, it's still not enough for some of the "Fans" in this "fan" base. Again not necessarily you.

I think the fact things ARE changing - and changing at a pretty decent tempo - and it's still being whined about (not necessarily you or on BP) just illustrates that people will not be happy no matter what happens as was posted by someone else earlier.

None of this has anything to with Sayin really other than my original point in that today's college football environment, you stack talent upon talent upon talent and hope someone emerges and sticks around long enough to contribute. If that's going to be a problem then I don't know what to tell you, because that's the reality of college football.

 

[BuckeyeNation27]

That's EXACTLY what I'm saying - but I think we did misunderstand each other in the fact that nothing we're going to want to see "changed" is going to happen 100% of the time. It's not my problem that some fans every want or desire hasn't been met. No one in the WHAC gives a shit what we want.

Further, change is a process. It's not an overnight process most of the time. You want changes to be well thought out, on some sort of cohesive planning type structure and to ensure the risk does not outweigh the rewards. Day has done that. In droves. Hopefully it works. However, and it is sad to say, it's still not enough for some of the "Fans" in this "fan" base. Again not necessarily you.

Very fair......but who is still complaining then? And if somebody were to say "OK Fleming is gone and adding Caleb Downs to an already amazing D is awesome, and all those other D pieces came back, and we finally have a play caller to teach Hartline what's what for when Birdy O Brandanowitz leaves.............buuuuuuuuuuut the OLine was pure trash in '23 and we're losing DL recruits in part because those players are unsure of LJ's future" does that count as somebody still complaining?

I think the fact things ARE changing - and changing at a pretty decent tempo - and it's still being whined about (not necessarily you or on BP) just illustrates that people will not be happy no matter what happens as was posted by someone else earlier.

oh.....maybe if I keep reading I'll get my answer. agree 100% with this.

 

[jakenick06]

 

[Mike80]

Very fair......but who is still complaining then? And if somebody were to say "OK Fleming is gone and adding Caleb Downs to an already amazing D is awesome, and all those other D pieces came back, and we finally have a play caller to teach Hartline what's what for when Birdy O Brandanowitz leaves.............buuuuuuuuuuut the OLine was pure trash in '23 and we're losing DL recruits in part because those players are unsure of LJ's future" does that count as somebody still complaining?

As a matter of fact, yes, if that's the only part that is said and ignoring the whole new OC just got hired thing....

Oline was playing better at various points last year. It's not an uber-talented group like I said and I think a lot of their struggles come from asking them to do things they can't do very well. The new OC will either fix that or put them in a better position to succeed, or will find a new Oline coach who can while also (hopefully) upgrading the talent as needed. They did land a new center and that was an issue that needed to be addressed and it was. Oh and I just realized, that new center had his best year when Billy ButtChinowicz was the OC at Bama as well.

As for LJ - again we may just not be privy to everything that's been decided yet. I just can't believe Day or even Gene would allow speculation to run rampant like it did during the recruiting cycle to go unaddressed in-house. It'll happen when it happens and so long as there is a definitive end game, I feel personally that he's earned his stripes to go out in a way agreeable to him. It's very similar to what the end of the Matta era had going against it when teams were telling kids he was on his deathbed. It's not the case at all and I think he's still very effective in that recruiting game. But, yes, due to his age there has to be an endgame. We're just not going to know what that is until it's in front of us and why should we?

 

[dragurd]

Shouldn't this entire conversation be kicked over to the staff changes or portal thread instead of a recruits? Well if he's enrolled players but still

 

[ScriptOhio]

Ryan Day, Ohio State are finally going all in with the transfer portal​

Two years ago, the Buckeyes were almost entirely focused on maintaining their roster and not rocking the boat in the portal. Now? The Buckeyes are making the moves necessary to break through in 2024.​

Ryan Day is finally all in. It’s something that he never really had to be early in his Ohio State tenure.

Inheriting a national-title-worthy roster from Urban Meyer put Day in an immediate position of strength. He had, by far, the biggest stack of chips at the Big Ten’s Texas hold ‘em table.

Day maintained Ohio State’s lead by playing the hands that made sense. That meant continuing to reel in top-five recruiting classes. It meant immediately winning a pair of Big Ten titles. Five years at the helm, five year-end top 10 finishes in the AP Poll.

The problem with this strategy is that Day never cleared the table. Ohio State maintained its placement, but its inability to finish the job — win a national title — allowed Michigan to catch up.

As a result, Day fell short again and again in the areas that truly matter to Buckeye fans.

Zero national titles.

One win and three losses against Michigan.

There are caveats, of course — a Marvin Harrison Jr. injury in the 2022 Peach Bowl likely cost Ohio State a national title — but high-stakes college football is not an arena of rational thought. The Buckeyes don’t have a national championship and, fair or not, the heat has begun to crank up on Day despite a 56-8 overall record.

Thus, Day is back at the table with an aggressive change in strategy in multiple areas of his program.

Giving up play-calling duties to Bill O’Brien is the most obvious shift in Columbus. With the departure of offensive coordinator Kevin Wilson to Tulsa last offseason, the Buckeyes’ 2023 offensive staff lacked an older, guiding hand.

That seemed to matter. Ohio State’s attack dropped from first nationally in yards per play to 25th, the first time in Day’s head coaching career that the Buckeyes ranked outside the top 10.

By adding O’Brien from the Patriots and handing him the offensive keys, Day is stepping back and focusing on the program at large. He’s no longer a head coach and play-caller. He’s stepping into a different sort of role, taking a different approach.

Day made a similar shift with his roster construction in recent weeks. Just look at this quote from Day on the transfer portal in May 2022:

“Our goal is always to recruit high school players and develop them while they're here. … We really haven't spent a lot of time focusing on the transfer portal, because I think if you want to sustain the program for a long period of time, I think recruits and their families, when you recruit them and talk to them about the plan for them to develop in your program, they want to see that happen. And they really don't want to see a transfer come in and jump somebody in line.”

Day didn’t say it there, but he lived up to that philosophy a few months prior. The Buckeyes had the opportunity to add LSU transfer cornerback Eli Ricks — one of the top cornerbacks in college football — but passed, per sources, because there was a concern that several of the program’s young defensive backs would transfer if Ricks arrived and jumped the line.

By the end of the 2022 transfer portal cycle, the Buckeyes lost eight defensive backs to the portal anyway. Several of them, like Ryan Watts (Texas) and Lejond Cavazos (North Carolina), ended up as starters elsewhere.

That’s the reality of the transfer portal era for elite teams. It’s harder than ever to keep quality depth.

Thus, it was interesting to see how Ohio State handled a similar decision with their quarterback room earlier this January.
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[GeorgiaBuck2]

We wanted him to give up play calling to an experienced and creative playcaller, to get rid of Parker Fleming, to sort out the Larry Johnson situation, and to figure out what the fuck is wrong with the OLine. He went out and got some shiny offensive skill positions......and fired Fleming.

Well count me as impressed to what Day has done this off-season. And he's not done yet... We'll see how it plays out.

 

[BB73]

I'm rather pleased with Day's moves so far ....

I'm still concerned that the OL will be the "Achilles Heel" for the 2024 team ....

This is where I’m at. I had never been ready to dump Day until the sad performance in the Cotton Bowl. But i realized that he wasn’t going to get canned by Gene Smith as one of his last acts as AD. So I was hoping to see positive changes and results in what will seemingly be his ‘make-or-break’ year.

I was surprised at getting Judkins, but with outgoing transfers more depth was needed and he’s a proven RB.

I think Will Howard is a solid 1-year answer at QB.

I think the Bama center will be an upgrade, and that he'll be able to fix his snapping issues.

I‘m OK with BoB as OC, largely because of his experience under Saban and Belichick.

I‘m thrilled to get both Downs and Sayin, may the best man win at QB.

But I want to see an upgrade at LT, and I think 1 more Tyliek-type at DL would be desirable.

And I’ll move this stuff from Sayin’s thread to Day’s.

 

[GeorgiaBuck2]

This is where I’m at. I had never been ready to dump Day until the sad performance in the Cotton Bowl. But i realized that he wasn’t going to get canned by Gene Smith as one of his last acts as AD. So I was hoping to see positive changes and results in what will seemingly be his ‘make-or-break’ year.

I was surprised at getting Judkins, but with outgoing transfers more depth was needed and he’s a proven RB.

I think Will Howard is a solid 1-year answer at QB.

I think the Bama center will be an upgrade, and that he'll be able to fix his snapping issues.

I‘m OK with BoB as OC, largely because of his experience under Saban and Belichick.

I‘m thrilled to get both Downs and Sayin, may the best man win at QB.

But I want to see an upgrade at LT, and I think 1 more Tyliek-type at DL would be desirable.

And I’ll move this stuff from Sayin’s thread to Day’s.

According to some things I've seen over on 11warriors, Day is going to try and target OL and Lber going forward in this off-season, if they are upgrades compared to what is already on the roster.