HC Ryan Day (2019 B1G Media COY)

[Captain Buckeye]

Few things…

1. This backs up what Carson was saying.
2. If true this is almost fireable. Willingly didn’t use all his practices, went light when they did practice, and willingly played an offensive line that gave them no chance to protect the QB. Didn’t even bother putting Carson back in.

He talked about the offensive line not helping the QB out, but maybe play the combination that played all year how about that?

Just so many damn questions right now.

 

[OHSportsFan]

Am I misreading that Dispatch article? Day still very much sounds like he had intentions of calling plays all season. He just covered it in coach speak.

He only said he would ease Hartline in when the time is right, which would only be on Day’s timeline. And anyone who has tried to hand a job off to a subordinate knows it’s difficult. I bet it’s 10x as hard for a head football coach.


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“Early on, I’ll do a majority of it,” Day said, referring to his role as the play-caller, “but Brian is going to have an opportunity to call it as well as time goes on.”
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Day mentioned a desire to “bring him along the right way at the right time” as a play-caller, while praising Hartline's adjustment to handling other parts of his job as coordinator.
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[billmac91]

Because I don't believed Day lied. I think he genuinely wants to pass the baton, but he also wants to have control of the offense. It can't cut both ways. I think Day withholds info, but doesn't lie.

Originally, I believe that Hartline's promotion was both a way to keep him at OSU, and somebody that Day can train to run his system. I don't think it is progressing like that, or as fast as it needs to.

I just think he is having a hard time letting the play calling go, and time is of the essence for him to be the CEO.

The track record for HC's who are the primary play callers is not very good. The best HC's take a CEO approach and hire the best assistant's out there.

I wouldn't say he lied either....I think Hartline probably has some role in offensive game planning. The difference, IMO, is something along the lines of what they had with Kevin Wilson who was an experienced play-caller and sat in the box above the field. I think Wilson had Day's trust, and Day ultimately kept playcalling authority, but I think Wilson was truly a "Co-offensive Coordinator" as well as TE coach.

It's tough for me, because going on past descriptions from players about Corey Dennis, I think he's an asset and very well liked. I also think Day needs a guy up in the box that he can trust, and he hasn't had that since Wilson left. I'd prefer a top end QB coach that has coordinator experience (haven't put much thought into it, but a Ken Dorsey type.....Dorsey would be too expensive for what I'm suggesting bc it'd need to be someone willing to come in under Hartline who is already listed as Co-OC). I also think Laurinitis needs to be added to staff on defensive side

 

[Captain Buckeye]

I wouldn't say he lied either....I think Hartline probably has some role in offensive game planning. The difference, IMO, is something along the lines of what they had with Kevin Wilson who was an experienced play-caller and sat in the box above the field. I think Wilson had Day's trust, and Day ultimately kept playcalling authority, but I think Wilson was truly a "Co-offensive Coordinator" as well as TE coach.

It's tough for me, because going on past descriptions from players about Corey Dennis, I think he's an asset and very well liked. I also think Day needs a guy up in the box that he can trust, and he hasn't had that since Wilson left. I'd prefer a top end QB coach that has coordinator experience (haven't put much thought into it, but a Ken Dorsey type.....Dorsey would be too expensive for what I'm suggesting bc it'd need to be someone willing to come in under Hartline who is already listed as Co-OC). I also think Laurinitis needs to be added to staff on defensive side

We have a QB coach that Ryan does the job for and we have a offensive coordinator who Ryan calls the plays for.

Replace Dennis with an experienced QB coach who can also be the Co-OC (actually the primary OC). Pretty simple fix here really.

That or just give the reigns to Coach Hartline and bring in an experienced QB coach.

 

[sg86]

If he were genuinely interested in trying to do something to re-energize his offense, he wouldn’t surround himself exclusively with young guys that have no other assistant experience and other Chip Kelly disciples.

There’s a reason he has built his offensive staff the way he has. The inexperience isn’t some byproduct of his selections. It’s the exact reason for his selections.

He wants guys that will do exactly what he wants and nothing else and he’s not interested in outside offensive opinions or philosophies.

He has an opportunity to change that thinking this offseason by bringing in a fresh view or he’ll hire Mark Helfrich or something and it’ll be like nothing really happened.

 

[zbuck]

So because you didn't notice it, and I'm totally sure your attention was 100% focused on what Hartline was doing too, that means it didn't happen?

Interesting assertion...

Please share with all of us your insight on how Hartline is the one calling plays during the season.

I don't think this is really a disputable subject. But hey, if you got some inside intel ....

 

[MSURacerDT55]

Because I don't believed Day lied. I think he genuinely wants to pass the baton, but he also wants to have control of the offense. It can't cut both ways. I think Day withholds info, but doesn't lie.

Originally, I believe that Hartline's promotion was both a way to keep him at OSU, and somebody that Day can train to run his system. I don't think it is progressing like that, or as fast as it needs to.

I just think he is having a hard time letting the play calling go, and time is of the essence for him to be the CEO.

The track record for HC's who are the primary play callers is not very good. The best HC's take a CEO approach and hire the best assistant's out there.

It’s crazy because we have one right up the road in Cleveland. Day and Stefanski are similar guys, the difference is Stefanski surrounded himself with elite veteran guys who’ve had HC experience, not only have them on staff, he leans on them heavily and allowed constructive criticism from those guys and he has grown tremendously because of it and the locker room has as well. Just a thought

 

[billmac91]

We have a QB coach that Ryan does the job for and we have a offensive coordinator who Ryan calls the plays for.

Replace Dennis with an experienced QB coach who can also be the Co-OC (actually the primary OC). Pretty simple fix here really.

That or just give the reigns to Coach Hartline and bring in an experienced QB coach.

I just get a bit reluctant because Fields, Stroud, and even Haskins have/were always so complimentary of him. I think he's an easy target after (1) year of average QB play and the subpar play of Kienholz in the Cotton Bowl.

Apparently he's super energetic on the recruiting trail as well.

 

[Jaxbuck]

People can learn to be effective delegators/coach of coaches. That is more of a skill than a behavior.

The reason I stand by my assertion that Day isn't the guy is his habit (a behavior) of clenching up in tight spots. That is something some people take to an extreme (either good or bad) and if it's too far to the bad side of the spectrum (as it clearly is, to me, with Day) then all the time and waiting in the world isn't going to change it.

Cooper was a coach of coaches and by all accounts was good at it (a skill). The problem with having guys like Cooper and Day is that they are still the leader and the organization takes on their personality as sure as night follows day. If the personality is that of an extremely poor handler of pressure (a behavior) then you are going to get frequent bed shattings.

There is no development away from this. Time you allow this kind of problem to fester is just lost. You aren't going to change that foundational bedrock of a grown man's personality with another season or staff changes.

 

[AuTX Buckeye]

I just get a bit reluctant because Fields, Stroud, and even Haskins have/were always so complimentary of him. I think he's an easy target after (1) year of average QB play and the subpar play of Kienholz in the Cotton Bowl.

Apparently he's super energetic on the recruiting trail as well.

You are looking at 3 almost generational QBs... Haskins & Fields likely worked with Day most of the time (Day coaches QB1) .... so maybe they did spend some time with him but ... Fields we know worked with Quincy Avery ... I feel like both Stroud & Haskins did as well.... so he might be a great fun guy.... but if the requirement for him to be QB coaches is a generational QB then we're in a world of hurt.... McCord, and Brown spent a lot of time with him and well ... Brown is still TBD but Kyle was decent.... but not generational.

 

[osuvictory1]

I wouldn't say he lied either....I think Hartline probably has some role in offensive game planning. The difference, IMO, is something along the lines of what they had with Kevin Wilson who was an experienced play-caller and sat in the box above the field. I think Wilson had Day's trust, and Day ultimately kept playcalling authority, but I think Wilson was truly a "Co-offensive Coordinator" as well as TE coach.

It's tough for me, because going on past descriptions from players about Corey Dennis, I think he's an asset and very well liked. I also think Day needs a guy up in the box that he can trust, and he hasn't had that since Wilson left. I'd prefer a top end QB coach that has coordinator experience (haven't put much thought into it, but a Ken Dorsey type.....Dorsey would be too expensive for what I'm suggesting bc it'd need to be someone willing to come in under Hartline who is already listed as Co-OC). I also think Laurinitis needs to be added to staff on defensive side

I agree with this take, and that is what gives me pause. I am very concerned for the direction of the program as is.

If Day wants the best Co-OC out there, I am pretty sure OSU will find the financial means to make it happen, because they have done that on the defensive side of the ball.

Getting rid of Dennis would open that door, and it is tough because he seems like a great guy, but it seems necessary to get done what needs to be done. Opening a path for another Co-OC/QB coach, which would free Day up to focus on the "20" other things he should be doing.

I also thought of Dorsey's name. Ex- NFL guy that ran a similar offense.

For JL we all know the easy out being PF.

 

[buckeyebri]

I always watch the team as they come out of the tunnel. Are they pumped up or just jogging out. I honestly can’t remember the last time I a saw a Ryan Day team coming out of tunnel looking hyped up and ready to play.

Maybe that’s not a thing anymore, I don’t know.

People can learn to be effective delegators/coach of coaches. That is more of a skill than a behavior.

Cooper was a coach of coaches and by all accounts was good at it (a skill). The problem with having guys like Cooper and Day is that they are still the leader and the organization takes on their personality as sure as night follows day. If the personality is that of an extremely poor handler of pressure (a behavior) then you are going to get frequent bed shattings.

Cooper was always adamant about his role as coach of the coaches. Day seems to only partially embrace that.

I also want to hit on your comments about the team taking on the personality of their coach. It was an issue with Cooper as the team had the propensity to pucker up in tight situations.

This is alarming about Day as well, because you see very little emotion from his teams (aside from a few). They never look fired up to play games ( mentioned this in game thread) and they certainly aren’t going to choke you over a game of checkers.

 

[dragurd]

I always watch the team as they come out of the tunnel. Are they pumped up or just jogging out. I honestly can’t remember the last time I a saw a Ryan Day team coming out of tunnel looking hyped up and ready to play.

Maybe that’s not a thing anymore, I don’t know.

Cooper was always adamant about his role as coach of the coaches. Day seems to only partially embrace that.

I also want to hit on your comments about the team taking on the personality of their coach. It was an issue with Cooper as the team had the propensity to pucker up in tight situations.

This is alarming about Day as well, because you see very little emotion from his teams (aside from a few). They never look fired up to play games ( mentioned this in game thread) and they certainly aren’t going to choke you over a game of checkers.

I wouldn't say never. They looked fired up as hell vs Georgia, the Rose bowl, Clemson in 2020. It's just not a consistent thing. Day talked about it when he took over I think. He doesn't think college kids can be 100% fired up for every game. He seems to take the even keel approach for the season that prevents you from losing the dumb ones like Meyer used to.

However he tries to turn it up in the playoffs. The problem is not every team has that switch especially if you don't practice it. Not everyone can go from it's all business to it's time to fucking go.

Also behavior under fire/pressure can certainly be trained. Yes some people have it innately. But the military certainly trains it. It's certainly not easy to train but it's doable. The question is done Day notice that in him to try to fix and if so does he have time when doing his job to attempt to fix it.

 

[buckeyebri]

I wouldn't say never. They looked fired up as hell vs Georgia, the Rose bowl, Clemson in 2020. It's just not a consistent thing. Day talked about it when he took over I think. He doesn't think college kids can be 100% fired up for every game. He seems to take the even keel approach for the season that prevents you from losing the dumb ones like Meyer used to.

However he tries to turn it up in the playoffs. The problem is not every team has that switch especially if you don't practice it. Not everyone can go from it's all business to it's time to fucking go.

Also behavior under fire/pressure can certainly be trained. Yes some people have it innately. But the military certainly trains it. It's certainly not easy to train but it's doable. The question is done Day notice that in him to try to fix and if so does he have time when doing his job to attempt to fix it.

While I don’t expect it every game, I certainly would expect it for Michigan and a playoff/Bowl game.

 

[dragurd]

While I don’t expect it every game, I certainly would expect it for Michigan and a playoff/Bowl game.

Yeah the problem seems to be he was able to be even keel with Michigan first 2 years and hasn't been able to turn it up like he has for bowls