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HC Ryan Day (2019 B1G Media COY)

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Jaxbuck said:
and you are acting like those would have been automatic wins if they didn't cheat.

Look at Day's record in big games/against opponents with a pulse. What gives you this absolute certainty this big game choke artist would somehow not be his usual choking self? Just because tsun was cheating doesn't mean they didn't have a pulse.
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Fair enough. It's 12-7 against ranked teams, and that includes two asterisk losses to Connor Stalions.
 
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What happened and why? I’ve been there and seen it happen the last few years, but I don’t know the proximate cause. How did we go from an aggressive, tempo, lethal offense to this? Why? Why did he change? Why can’t he get out of his own way? Even with Stroud we still had a clunky, unreliable offense that wasn’t allowed to play until the uga game and his play calling and game management fucked that up.

I don’t know the specific catalyst, maybe no one does, but it’s clear that he lost his fastball and coaches like he’s sitting in a foxhole crapping himself or against the ropes getting pummeled. He’s just not the guy. At one point we thought he might be and then we were so invested that we hoped he would become that guy. Jax is right, if he was, we’d already know. Instead, I think it’s time to admit that he’s not.
 
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NJ-Buckeye said:
If I was elected king of OSU... I make Urban AD
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Not sure he'd take it, but im game.
My impression is that he really likes working with the college kids... recruiting just might be his favorite part of the job.
AD is kinda removed from that side. Whereas Vrabel is the opposite; hates recruiting.

Then there's the bad blood with admin side, even if they're gone at this point. He basically quit as a "fuck you" to the pencil pushers.
 
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kujirakira said:
Managing is managing, and Vrabel is more of a manager personality than a developer.
Plenty have transitioned from player to coach to AD.
The jump from hiring your own NFL staff (and he makes his own hires) to hiring a staff of College Coaches is not that different.
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It's also managing 36 D1 sports, a 200M+ budget, a multi-million dollar fundraising operation, NCAA compliance and increasingly the NIL operations (which he is said to loathe). That's a hell of a big step up from a football coach managing his staff.

If Ohio State is not the place for someone's first head coaching job neither is it the place for someone who has never worked in big time athletic administration to jump straight from the sideline and into the AD's chair. Odds are a hell of a lot greater that it would become a spectacular failure of an experiment than a successful one.
 
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inliner311 said:
I don't think Day can risk not getting a portal QB. He can't go into next season with a QB with so little experience as this QB room has. Go get Ward or Howard, both who have a lot of college football experience and roll with that over the potential of Brown or Kienholz.
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Maybe Bo Dix has another year of eligibility. Maybe he was on double secret probation at Auburn.
 
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ORD_Buckeye said:
It's also managing 36 D1 sports, a 200M+ budget, a multi-million dollar fundraising operation, NCAA compliance and increasingly the NIL operations (which he is said to loathe). That's a hell of a big step up from a football coach managing his staff.

If Ohio State is not the place for someone's first head coaching job neither is it the place for someone who has never worked in big time athletic administration to jump straight from the sideline and into the AD's chair. Odds are a hell of a lot greater that it would become a spectacular failure of an experiment than a successful one.
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So you're in the fire Day camp, then?
Regardless what happens, I want an Ohio guy in as AD to hold feet to the fire (not just football).
Not another administrative politician more interested in schmoozing with bowl sponsors.
Id take a Vrabel over another Gene.
 
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kujirakira said:
So you're in the fire Day camp, then?
Regardless what happens, I want an Ohio guy in as AD to hold feet to the fire (not just football).
Not another administrative politician more interested in schmoozing with bowl sponsors.
Id take a Vrabel over another Gene.
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I'm in the 2024 is make or break for Day. Either we beat tcun, win the B1G and win at least one playoff game or a change needs to be made.

As for Vrabel, he's in no way qualified. GS made some mistakes, but he was at least prepared for the job, and the plusses far outweigh the negatives. For Christ's sake, Vrabel's degree was in Exercise Science. He's a good football coach, but he's utterly unqualified to run a MAC athletic department. There are two very well qualified candidates with substantial experience at Ohio State in the mix. One of them will--and should--get the job.
 
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ORD_Buckeye said:
I'm in the 2024 is make or break for Day. Either we beat tcun, win the B1G and win at least one playoff game or a change needs to be made.

As for Vrabel, he's in no way qualified. GS made some mistakes, but he was at least prepared for the job, and the plusses far outweigh the negatives. For Christ's sake, Vrabel's degree was in Exercise Science. He's a good football coach, but he's utterly unqualified to run a MAC athletic department. There are two very well qualified candidates with substantial experience at Ohio State in the mix. One of them will--and should--get the job.
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Im not interested in rehashing what Gene did or didn't do.
My issue is that he's a politician, not an Athletic Director. That has pluses and minuses, but it's ran its course and time to go back in the other direction.
My issue is that your list of "qualifications" remains entirely in the political sphere.
It's an Athletic Department, not the Wexner Center or ICICLE. His degree is perfectly relevant to the position.
 
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RugbyBuck said:
What happened and why? I’ve been there and seen it happen the last few years, but I don’t know the proximate cause. How did we go from an aggressive, tempo, lethal offense to this? Why? Why did he change? Why can’t he get out of his own way? Even with Stroud we still had a clunky, unreliable offense that wasn’t allowed to play until the uga game and his play calling and game management fucked that up.

I don’t know the specific catalyst, maybe no one does, but it’s clear that he lost his fastball and coaches like he’s sitting in a foxhole crapping himself or against the ropes getting pummeled. He’s just not the guy. At one point we thought he might be and then we were so invested that we hoped he would become that guy. Jax is right, if he was, we’d already know. Instead, I think it’s time to admit that he’s not.
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I think when he was playing with Urban's money (being the OC), he was able to be as aggressive as possible, because he wasn't the ultimate one to shoulder the blame should an issue arise.
Now, that's not the case.
Just something I've been pondering and your question seemed aligned for me to share.
 
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kujirakira said:
Im not interested in rehashing what Gene did or didn't do.
My issue is that he's a politician, not an Athletic Director. That has pluses and minuses, but it's ran its course and time to go back in the other direction.
My issue is that your list of "qualifications" remains entirely in the political sphere.
It's an Athletic Department, not the Wexner Center or ICICLE. His degree is perfectly relevant to the position.
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But in today's landscape of College Athletics having to deal with TV revenue and contracts, Title IX and all the other fun things that go with the job at a school as big as OSU, and wading through it's bureaucracy, An AD really needs to be BOTH.
 
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