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HC Ryan Day (2019 B1G Media COY)

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Buckeyefrankmp said:
When Day loses 4 games in a season then you can feel the Helfrich vibes. I don't think it would get to the 8 losses in a season that Helfrich obtained. Ohio State would never let a coach return after losing 4 games in a season.
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Oh definitely not. But the slow steady decline after inheriting a stacked roster parallels are there.

Day is a better coach than Helfrich to be clear. Moreso comparing the in-house promotion being good enough to steady the ship the first few years before the cracks start showing
 
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OregonBuckeye said:
Oh definitely not. But the slow steady decline after inheriting a stacked roster parallels are there.

Day is a better coach than Helfrich to be clear. Moreso comparing the in-house promotion being good enough to steady the ship the first few years before the cracks start showing
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I still don't think cracks are showing at least not as big as would bring down the program or can't be fixed. Last year he was a field goal away from winning a natty and this year he was breaking in a new QB for the season and playing with a third year true freshman QB in the bowl game. Tressel was 8-4 after Krenzel graduatedand no one thought there were cracks in the program. Of course, every year I would call for him to replace Jim Bollman to no avail.
 
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Buckeyefrankmp said:
I still don't think cracks are showing at least not as big as would bring down the program or can't be fixed. Last year he was a field goal away from winning a natty and this year he was breaking in a new QB for the season and playing with a third year true freshman QB in the bowl game. Tressel was 8-4 after Krenzel graduatedand no one thought there were cracks in the program. Of course, every year I would call for him to replace Jim Bollman to no avail.
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No one thought there were cracks after 04 because Tressel was 3-1 in The Game and won a NC two years prior. On top of that he had a track record at YSU showing he could build a program. He had earned some benefit of the doubt.

Day, on the other hand, has a background that consists of being handed the ceremonial whistle to a program that someone else built.
 
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buckeyebri said:
I thought I read Noland wasn’t an early enrollee and wouldn’t be here until summer?
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In January, Noland will enter Day and Dennis’ quarterback room behind Devin Brown and Lincoln Kienholz. Ohio State’s 2023 starter, Kyle McCord, transferred to Syracuse in December, and veteran Tristan Gebbia completed his seven-year college career with the Buckeyes this season.

That’s from Eleven Warriors on December 20th.
 
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Buckeyefrankmp said:
Tressel was 8-4 after Krenzel graduatedand no one thought there were cracks in the program
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Given the exponential turn around of the program - beating scUM a couple times and winning a natty; Tress was given much more leeway because it was widely understood the massive amount of junior and senior turnover from that 2003 season.

It also helps that the 2004 team got better, including an upset victory over scUM AND blowing out Okie State, as the season progressed. The teams we have been watching the last couple seasons are either stagnant, or on the decline as the grind of the season reaches its end.
 
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Buckeyefrankmp said:
I still don't think cracks are showing at least not as big as would bring down the program or can't be fixed. Last year he was a field goal away from winning a natty and this year he was breaking in a new QB for the season and playing with a third year true freshman QB in the bowl game. Tressel was 8-4 after Krenzel graduatedand no one thought there were cracks in the program. Of course, every year I would call for him to replace Jim Bollman to no avail.
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On OL the cracks are definitely starting to appear. OL has regressed damn near ever single year Day has been here save for maybe 2022, since that line was slightly better than 2021.
 
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System_id said:
On OL the cracks are definitely starting to appear. OL has regressed damn near ever single year Day has been here save for maybe 2022, since that line was slightly better than 2021.
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I agree. The O-line does need to improve. Back to the original conversation, I don't think it is enough to bring the program to the decline Oregon saw during the Helfrich years. Day can fix this by doing what he did with the defense and hire a good offensive line coach.
 
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System_id said:
On OL the cracks are definitely starting to appear. OL has regressed damn near ever single year Day has been here save for maybe 2022, since that line was slightly better than 2021.
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And it doesn’t seem to matter who the coach is or who the players are. Which says to me that it’s scheme and play calling more than anything else. Which means Day.

Justin Frye has coached other places and their OLs there have been good or he wouldn’t have gotten this job. Did he suddenly forget how to coach or was all of his prior success due simply to those teams schemes and his coaching didn’t matter?

And talent? Sure, OSU has struggled recruiting the position and doesn’t have a string of 5 starts to run out there at every position, but that doesn’t fly when they perform THAT badly. There are a ton of teams that would kill to have the 4 star recruits that OSU has on the OL, but still manage to get decent play from the guys they do have, or at least try to figure out how to scheme around a poor OL. Hell, I bet OSU has higher rated OL recruits than Mizzou but those guys held all of the 5* OSU DL in check for the most part. While their lower rated DL shredded OSU’s higher rated OL repeatedly.

If your OL sucks, you can’t keep putting them in a position to fail, which is what we’ve seen again and again.
 
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