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Hate more: ND or UM? (split from ND thread)

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timBUCK2 said:
With a completely clear conscious, I can say that I would much prefer scUM to beat ND than vice versa. I hate tsun as much as anyone, but c'mon. Who really wants to spend the rest of the year hearing about NDs inevitable national championship run and how overrated the B10 is?
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I dont see how wanting scUM to beat ND means anyone hates ND more.
I want scUM to be undefeated coming into the Game every year, thats what makes the rivalry great.
But I hate everything about them.
I only want them to win so that it makes their defeat to us all the more crushing.
I want them to feel pain and anger towards tOSU.
I want them to suffer, plain and simple.
 
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I hate Michigan with a passion, but I also respect them. I respect the rivalry. I respect the fact that I can go to any part of this country, and get mean looks from local Michigan fans as I walk by in my Ohio State gear. Thats a hell of a rivalry if you think about it that way.

I hate ND, but they don't get any respect from me. Even moreso after the Fiesta Bowl. Their fans at the game had this overwhelming air of arrogance surrounding them. Arrogance that influenced their every action, conciously and subconciously. Maybe its just me, but the Irish fans I've met spoke to us with a sickeningly condescending tone, like they're God's gift to college football. "We're going to win because Irish players are better people."

Man, the looks on their faces after the game were priceless.
 
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Hey!

Hey, a Michigan fan. Wow, okay, so some of you are still out there.

I root for Michigan to beat ND and I even bet for them to beat Nebraska. Some put it best, that the pain and happiness is perfect if we beat scUM when they are undefeated.

What the fuck happened to Michigan in the Nebraska game? That was embarrassing.
 
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When I was a kid in high school, there was nothing I hated more than scUM (and my bitch of an English teacher). And I didn't mind ND; didn't cheer for them yet didn't mind them.

As I have grown older, my hatred for scUM has not diminished one bit, but what I couldn't grasp in my youth was that the intense hatred was built upon respect. I hate everything about that place (colors, fight song, stadium, the grass, etc.), yet I respect them. In my youth, I too had two favorite teams, "OSU and whoever plays scUM", now that I have logged about 42 circuits around the sun, I desire to see an undefeated OSU vs. an undefeated scUM for the whole damn enchilada. Now, my two favorite teams are OSU and whoever plays the holier than thou Domers.

My hatred for ND started to grow around the same time I started at OSU. It seemed that the ND "fans" that I encountered had much to do with it. It seemed that the media lovefest had something to do with it. It grew with the hiring of each new coach (starting with Faust I believe) that produced those goddamned "return to glory" bullshit from folks. It grew more when they got their own little TV deal with NBC (uber media lovefest) and even more with the BCS special ND rules. The hatred reached critical mass when ND turned down an invite to join the Big Ten playing the "it would ruin our independent tradition" bullshit card. (BTW, many Big Ten presidents did not support inviting ND to join the Big Ten since ND's graduate programs are so lowly rated.) All of this amounted to my realization that I do not have respect for ND; as the hatred for them grew, the respect disappeared to where now I have none. Nada! Nil! Zilch! Zippo! The big goose egg! And to seal the deal that ND is my most hated team in all of sports, I had to sit by ND fans when OSU spanked their asses in the 'Shoe. Seeing people pull out their goddamn rosary beads and pray before a ND field goal attempt was the final straw. I hope that their holier than thou, arrogant, perpetually overrated asses get handed to them by scUM this year as well as every other Big Ten team.

So yes, my hatred for ND is greater than my hatred for scUM. While hate and love are two powerful emotions at opposite ends of the spectrum, the only thing that exceeds my hatred for ND, in magnitude, is my love for all things OSU.

Put another way, if I had the power to close one university in the country it would be ND and I would about a nanosecond to do it. If I had that power, closing scUM wouldn't even be a thought because of what I would lose as a born and bred Buckeye.
 
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If "hate" is they key word, the I'll say Michigan. First and foremost, they're Michigan. But, on top of that, they ruined our 1969 season, and more than a few seasons in the '90s. Notre Dame hasn't done that...in fact, we own their ass, so it's hard to "hate" someone you own. Hell, I even used to follow Notre Dame from '68-'74, because they were on every week in Youngstown...it pissed me off that a non-Ohio team was on more often than Ohio State was, but I still followed them.

Still, there's something about Notre Dame that just gets under my skin. It's probably their arrogance and their aura of self-entitlement. Like one of our "esteemed" outsider members likes to put it, they feel that Notre Dame is "America's Team". They like to point at their TV contract with NBC, saying that it proves they're America's Team, rather than accept the reality that the reason NBC broadcast ND games is because there are no others available in their region (Big Ten locked down by ABC/ESPN, and SEC locked down by CBS). As much as I don't like "rooting" for Michigan, I will be hoping that they beat Notre Dame this fall.
 
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I hate both schools. Hell, I fucking hate both schools. But I wish pain on Notre Dame... and this is why...

Still, there's something about Notre Dame that just gets under my skin. It's probably their arrogance and their aura of self-entitlement. Like one of our "esteemed" outsider members likes to put it, they feel that Notre Dame is "America's Team". They like to point at their TV contract with NBC, saying that it proves they're America's Team, rather than accept the reality that the reason NBC broadcast ND games is because there are no others available in their region (Big Ten locked down by ABC/ESPN, and SEC locked down by CBS). As much as I don't like "rooting" for Michigan, I will be hoping that they beat Notre Dame this fall.
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