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Greg Schiano (HC Rutgers Scarlet Knights)

Unless Bradley comes out and says Schiano made such a statement to him, this isn't going anywhere. I think WE ALL AGREE GS would be fired in a nano-second if Bradley confirmed what McQueary is saying. But since that's never going to happen, I don't know how you can fire a guy based on that deposition testimony if you're Urban Meyer.

And I say that as someone with no attachment to Greg Schiano coaching here. I could take him or leave just the same. But it's all way too flimsy to fire a guy.
 
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As I have mentioned before, this is a high sensitive case and have national affects. This requires due diligence, especially when you are the head coach at TOSU, to make sure you have taken appropriate steps, even when they are not "required" by law, to address any issue may arise in the future. Having met both coaches, I believe UM did the appropriate thing here and Schiano told the truth.

I would not be surprise UM will address this and said "you bet I talked to Coach Schiano about it".

BTW - even if Bradley comes out saying he heard that about Schiano, this is still hearsay. No judge is going to condemn anyone because one said something to another person and that person comfirmed he did say it. Since all this all have happened, I would think that the investigators already talk to Schiano and Bradley back then and left it alone after they feel the answers were truthful or at least not warrant their own testimony.
 
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You can't fire him.
But you could question why anyone on that staff would be hired.
There's a taint that will last a life time on that staff.

When Bradley left I was curious what his reasons were. Some just marked it up to Paterno sticking around longer and Bradley not getting the head coaching job. I wasn't convinced.
Now it looks even more like he had seen the situation and wanted to distance himself.
Rotten to the core that whole football department was.
 
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You can't fire him.
But you could question why anyone on that staff would be hired.
There's a taint that will last a life time on that staff.

When Bradley left I was curious what his reasons were. Some just marked it up to Paterno sticking around longer and Bradley not getting the head coaching job. I wasn't convinced.
Now it looks even more like he had seen the situation and wanted to distance himself.

May be Bradley just want to get away from this mess and start afresh; can't say he did anything wrong from that. You can certainly have reserved feelings about him, but certainly does not meant he knew or saw the act.
 
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1. IF he knew and did nothing, yes. To say otherwise is to repeat what the pedsters have been saying. Don't forget that the victims are punished for life through no fault of their own.

2. If O'dea is currently coaching at Notre Dame, USC, Michigan, Clemson, FSU, or in the SEC; then yes, ruin him. Anyone seen the sarcasm font?

Yes, but in the case of O'Dea, isn't he a victim as well? How'd you like to have friends and family call you and say you're named in a 2 year old deposition as a witness to child rape? At a time you weren't even in State College?

Sandusky's victims deserve support and they deserve justice. But everyone needs to be careful before tossing around accusations that can ruin the reputation of innocent people.
 
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And think for a moment how a double standard is applied versus little girls being molested by a coach.
Does anyone doubt what an uproar it would have been had Sandusky been accused of molesting just one little girl?
And here we're talking about years of abuse and probably hundreds of victims.
 
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If you are asking me to buckle under the pressure of a few internet posters regarding my stand on what I believe it is right and smart thing to do, then you are more ludicrous than you have inferred me to be. You and others can have different opinions and standards, and I am not asking you to change nor can I change your perspective. I did not have personal attacks but only asking questions and trying to understand the full situation since I did not read the transcripts. By the way, much of this was sealed, which is why people didn't know it referenced Schiano. And my stands had nothing to do with what has been revealed recently.

If I walk in to my office and see a co-worker wiping white powder from his face I would not say anything to him. But if I see him sorting the last line of white powder, then I would ask him what is he doing. If he responded that it was powder sugar, which is very abnormal, then I would be more suspicious of him.

Now if this same situation happened when I am a police officer, then I would inquire further and even take it to my supervisor because the magnitude of the situation has changed now since he can be impaired to do his job to protect citizens, especially he is carrying a firearm. Fast forward this incident twenty years from now, and that police officer has been convicted of heavy drug abuse and killed multiple people because he was impaired, do you think it is reasonable for the grand jury and investigators to question me about what I may have seen during those earlier years, especially if I worked closely with that officer? You better believe it.

Now those questions and answers may have been sealed, but if a potential new employer or new police commissioner is about to hire me knew that I worked closely with that convicted murderer, do you think the commissioner has the responsibility to ask me what I know or may have seen? I personally believe it is both a smart and a responsible thing to do as the commissioner represent the entire police force under his control. I sure would not hire someone who knew that office did snort cocaine and said nothing. Let say I never did see that other officer snort cocaine but thought he did something suspicious like that and reported to my chain of command, the commissioner should be fine with that answer unless he knew I lied to him.

To me, the Penn St. situation is of a high magnitude or even higher since young children and their family have been affected for a life time. If UM knew Schiano was working in that close proximity, having access to the same general locations and opportunities to witness something (whether the information has not been revealed until now has no bearing on this), I would expect UM to ask something. Now UM may have forgotten about the situation and therefore didn't ask, then that is different. I believe UM is of a higher integrity and smart individual and did ask and received an appropriate answer from Schiano; UM was fine with the answers as he indeed have no reason to doubt Schiano.

This situation is sensitive to many people and have national impact, especially for our beloved TOSU. To make light of it by using irrelevant examples such as butt grapping, office cooler jokes and Kentucky whatever to justify one's opinion is not appropriate. Noe that is ludicrous!
Yes, I am saying unequivocally that this is not something that I would expect any coach to be asking about. Considering that Schiano had NEVER been mentioned in conjunction with any of this, and the cases had been poured over and his name NEVER came up, why would you even think about it? Nobody thinks rape, child or otherwise is OK, but I don't think it is even remotely acceptable to be upset at a coach for not asking about a closed and shut case where the guy in question had never been mentioned. If you can't see that, then I can help you and I won't worry about you. It's not about being an Internet bully. It's about your position on this being illogical.
 
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Yes, I am saying unequivocally that this is not something that I would expect any coach to be asking about. Considering that Schiano had NEVER been mentioned in conjunction with any of this, and the cases had been poured over and his name NEVER came up, why would you even think about it? Nobody thinks rape, child or otherwise is OK, but I don't think it is even remotely acceptable to be upset at a coach for not asking about a closed and shut case where the guy in question had never been mentioned. If you can't see that, then I can help you and I won't worry about you. It's not about being an Internet bully. It's about your position on this being illogical.

We would agree to disagree, but I never call anyone an internet bully in this situation, which there are some everywhere. I have been in law enforcement where certain situations are much more sensitive and required more diligence and careful analysis, and this is one of them.

It never came up because it was "sealed"...and that the investigators already looked into it and did their due diligence...you would hope.
 
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BTW - even if Bradley comes out saying he heard that about Schiano, this is still hearsay. No judge is going to condemn anyone because one said something to another person and that person comfirmed he did say it. Since all this all have happened, I would think that the investigators already talk to Schiano and Bradley back then and left it alone after they feel the answers were truthful or at least not warrant their own testimony.

If Bradley comes out and says Schiano told him he saw Sandusky raping a young boy... then GS is gone gone gone. Forget the hearsay because: 1) It's not hearsay. It is a statement that could be used against Schiano in a court of law because Bradley would have heard it directly from GS; and 2) I'm not sure I even need a 2nd reason. He'd be outta here.
 
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If Bradley comes out and says Schiano told him he saw Sandusky raping a young boy... then GS is gone gone gone. Forget the hearsay because: 1) It's not hearsay. It is a statement that could be used against Schiano in a court of law because Bradley would have heard it directly from GS; and 2) I'm not sure I even need a 2nd reason. He'd be outta here.

I was referring to if Bradley confirms that McQueary had said that to him, not Schiano admit to seeing the act, sorry for the confusion.
 
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That's a nice list of rationalizations about why no one in Happy Valley should ever have done anything to stop Sandusky. Or maybe, in a broader sense, why no one should ever do anything at any time to help anyone they see being harmed: might be consequences, might not work out for your own best interest.

It think there's a shorter term that summarizes willful inaction: cowardice.

There are many many examples of horrible leadership ending in horrific consequences where nothing or not enough was done to stop it. Regardless of the rationale, most people are unwilling or unable to act against strong authority. It would have taken a heroic act to stand up against Paterno/Sandusky. Most people aren't heroes. That's why we revere heroes so much. Just because you aren't a hero, doesn't mean you are necessarily a coward. Almost every one falls in-between those extremes.
 
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And think for a moment how a double standard is applied versus little girls being molested by a coach.
Does anyone doubt what an uproar it would have been had Sandusky been accused of molesting just one little girl?
And here we're talking about years of abuse and probably hundreds of victims.
Yes, it would have been a similar, extreme uproar. No, it is not a muted uproar whatsoever because it involves helpless young boys instead of girls.
 
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We would agree to disagree, but I never call anyone an internet bully in this situation, which there are some everywhere. I have been in law enforcement where certain situations are much more sensitive and required more diligence and careful analysis, and this is one of them.

It never came up because it was "sealed"...and that the investigators already looked into it and did their due diligence...you would hope.
That's fine that you were in law-enforcement, but that's not the situation here so to expect anything remotely similar that is just completely unreasonable and illogical. Again there was never any mention of the people in question being involved in a case that is closed and shut. To begin asking questions randomly about that situation when that's not even remotely on your mind isn't something that would happen. This is just a total nonissue. Know if it turns out that Schiano did know about the evil and this is found to be factual, well the. You remove him. But don't go around expecting coaches to ask about this About a guy never mentioned in connection to it. That's unreasonable.
 
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I was referring to if Bradley confirms that McQueary had said that to him, not Schiano admit to seeing the act, sorry for the confusion.

I think maybe you misunderstood. McQueary says Bradley told him that Schiano told Bradley he saw a boy in the shower with Sandusky. Now that's confusing. If, however, Bradley confirms that Schiano told him he saw a boy in the shower with Sandusky, that is actually NOT hearsay. So if, for example, Schiano were prosecuted for not reporting what he saw (would never happen), Bradley could testify to this statement much like a detective could testify about a criminal defendant giving a confession. The statement by the defendant is not hearsay.
 
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