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Ginn, Zwick, Smith and Snyder by Tressel

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buckeyeboy said:
I just hope that Tressel keeps Ginn in the game on both sides of the ball, instead of what he did to Gamble in '03. In '02 Gamble (and the very limited action he saw in '03), Gamble was our most electrifying player on offense, yet in '03 Tressel saved him just for defense...
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"Gamble was our most electrifying player on offense"? Are you on crack? Gamble didn't do shit on offense in 2002 except for that WR end around against Indiana. He had more drops than TD receptions. As for Ginn, he'll little action on defense, if any...he's just too much of an offensive game-breaker to dilute his energy by playing him on defense also.
 
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In '02 Gamble... was our most electrifying player on offense
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Not to get off topic, but I'd like to disagree with you on that one. I'd say #13 would've had that title, with Mr. Jenkins close behind. Even Krenzel made more plays on O than Gamble did in 2002.


Edit: Dang mili, you type too fast.
 
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i think this whole "energy" thing is a little little overrated.


1st of all...we know these guys are working there a$$es of in winter workouts...enough to make them throw up, so they will be ready to give 100% when the season starts.
2nd of all...every defensive snap and offensive snap isnt a 100 yard dash.


if he plays both ways (you can give him his heisman invitation right now) the coaches will prepare him for it in practice...and if he is a little winded in the first couple of games, i think he will get stronger throughout the season and by the michigan game he wont be affected.

im sooo glad we have this problem.
 
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What Ginn Does is make Defensive Coordinators spend that much more time to stop HIM. Its like Reggie Bush with USC, everyone thinks if you stop him you win the game. So in contrast if they try to stop Ginn, then bamb we hit you with Gonzo, Holmes, Smith/Zwick, Haw/Pittman/Wells, and Hamby underneath.... Forget about it. He's on offense. What Ginn does is just change the way people prepare for us. Take the Oky State game for instance. I think they put way too much into stopping Ginn (even though they didn't) and they were so worried about getting beat by him that many others made plays. Hell even Ross was running wild that game. What a Luxury to have though.
 
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MililaniBuckeye said:
Gamble didn't do shit on offense in 2002 except for that WR end around against Indiana. He had more drops than TD receptions.
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I think Gamble actually had zero TD receptions for the season, so the drops thing would certainly be true. But I fondly remember a bomb he caught in the Fiesta Bowl, just before the double-turnover play and the FG that was our last score in regulation.

But I agree that he was about our 4th best player on offense.

I just looked up his stats for 2002:

31 catches for 499 yards, 0 TD, longest was 57 yards (I'm sure that was the Fiesta Bowl)
3 carries for 49 yards, 1 TD (43-yards)
 
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HilmerJ said:
i think this whole "energy" thing is a little little overrated.


1st of all...we know these guys are working there a$$es of in winter workouts...enough to make them throw up, so they will be ready to give 100% when the season starts.
2nd of all...every defensive snap and offensive snap isnt a 100 yard dash.
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Uh, have you ever played competitive football? This whole "energy" thing is not overrated. If football isn't so taxing energy-wise, then why do they even have conditioning drills? We rotate personnel on a regular basis to kep them fresh...that implies that players get tired and thus the game itself is indeed very physically demanding. The players will be ready to give 100%, but no one can do that for 120+ plays a game, every game.
 
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i think this whole "energy" thing is a little little overrated.
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Yeah, I'm sure he may be in good enough shape to make it through to the end of the game, but that's not the issue. With how dangerous he is on offense, we need him to be sharp and explosive by the end. You don't win games by having the guy with the most minutes played, you win it by having the most points.

Look at the march madness games... just about 10 minutes ago, Cincinnati was within a few points of Kentucky. Kentucky's guys were fresh, Cincy's guys were not. Cincy missed almost all of their last 15 shots (several wide open looks) because of fatigue and Kentucky won the game.

Ginn needs to be fresh in the 4th quarter(s) to break the Wolverines' backs AGAIN!
 
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First, I think that Gamble was the most electrifying player on the TEAM. But looking solely at the Offense, he was not. I'd probably agree and say he was #4 on offense, but I could have sworn he had at least one touchdown (I'm probably wrong, though). I think teams thought they could pick on him on defense when he started ("OSU has a WR playing CB? Let's throw at him"). He had great interceptions and defensive plays at crucial moments. That's why I think he was the most electrifying player on the team.

Second, my opinion is that if defense is what is going to win the games, the Bucks should make sure their defense is going to win the games, first. If that means Ginn plays DB, then Ginn should play DB. If the defense is good enough to win the games without him, then he's too much of an incredible weapon to not use on offense.
 
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"Electrifying" means to cause a surge of emotion or excitement and commonly refers to a person who is a thrilling performer to watch. Did I say that Gamble was our most productive offensive player in '02? No. Did I saw that Gamble was our best offensive player in '02? No. Did I say that Gamble made more plays than any other offensive player in '02? No. I merely said that Gamble was our most electrifying player -- he was our most "Ginn-like" player, i.e., he was the guy most able to go all the way any given time he touched the ball. The facts that he had the longest reception and second longest run in '02 as well as that he was the one who we were running end around to (not Clarett, Jenkins, or Krenzel -- all of whom were mentioned as "responses" to my posting of who was our most electrifying player) prove my ponit. The replies arguing that Gamble wasn't our best/most productive offensive player are non-responsive to my original point.
 
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Gamble was no where near "electrifying", not by any stretch of the imagination. Sure, he had that WR reverse TD against Indiana, but other than that, what great play did he have?
 
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"Gamble was our most electrifying player on offense"
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i'm gonna back up BuckeyeBoy on this one...........i really don't know why Mili has such a disdain for Gamble, maybe because he didn't show up for most of the '03 season?

anyway, i think you guys are missing the point he is making.........by electrifying he obviously means that he has big play potential, the ability to take it to the house............he had great acceleration and was great in space (look at the PSU INT return).........his point is more in regards to Tressel's ability to showcase his talents and utlilize him, i think the mediocre stats are more an indictment of the playcalling and his utilization, than his abilities............yes he had the dropsies at times, but he should have been used more in space, and more to stretch the defense, and given a chance for his athletic ability to take over

EDIT: for more evidence in response to your question of what else did he do in 2002, he took that kick back against Cincy that was called back by a bogus clipping call, and that would have been our first kick return for a TD in umpteen years (i don't know how long)

it's the same with Bam Childress, why were we throwing corner fades and routes across the middle to a 5'9" guy who is known for his quickness and elusiveness? he was almost NEVER utilized in space..........i actually always felt sorry for him b/c he was never given much of a chance to showcase his talents, even though he appeared to keep himself off the field by his practice habits/performance, when he was on the field he didn't get much of a shot
 
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MistriBuck said:
...i really don't know why Mili has such a disdain for Gamble, maybe because he didn't show up for most of the '03 season?...
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I don't have a disdain for him at all...he was one of the key factors in our NC season (on defense). What I'm saying is that while he made a couple big plays on offense in 2002, I dont think he met the definition of "electrifying".
 
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ok disdain was too strong of a word, but from my perspective you do seem to put him down a lot, or downplay his abilties/accomplishments

as for him being categorized as "electrifying", he may fall short, but my opinion is that there was not a more electrifying player on the team..........there was a reason he returned kicks and punts and was used on reverses as BuckeyeBoy pointed out (and i believe he should of been used more, in a variety of ways)
 
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gamble on D and O was better then when woodson won the heisman but,
his electricty was on D not on O

He saved and won games on D

On the O , I WOULD TAKE GINN, GLENN,BOSTON, JENKINS,GALLOWAY,GONZO AND HOLMES OVER HIM IN A SEC TO SEE SOME ELECTRICITY
 
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