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Game Thread Game Two: Ohio State 20, Akron 2 (Final)

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zincfinger;919950; said:
A valid point, but I think the minor league/major league comparison is more apt, for the following reason. Akron and OSU are not in competition with each other in any meaningful sense, even in a season when they play one another. An Akron/OSU dual fan doesn't have to follow either team as a back-up to the primary team, as you do when you prefer a non-Reds team in the post-season, precisely because success or failure for Akron and OSU are completely independent of each other. The Reds and the Braves are in the same league, competing for the same prize. Akron and OSU, for all intents and purposes, are not.
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Again, I'd disagree. Sure, this game means nothing for the MAC or Big 10 championship, but this is much more than a Major League and Minor League team playing a charity game. Only one Div 1 team wins a NC. Sure, Akron doesn't really have a shot, but they're still in the same league from that standpoint. The Reds and Clippers are not fighting for the same championship, therefore, the sense of competition is totally shot. Sure, Ohio State is the biggest name in Ohio College football... by a long shot. Sure, we get the biggest, strongest, fastest players the state has to offer. Sure, Ohio kids grow up huge Buckeye fans only to go to school somewhere else for one reason or another. But, to treat them like they don't belong in our league is arrogant, in my humble opinion. Their ultimate goal is the same as ours. Win every Div 1 game and make it to the best bowl game they possibly can - and if that's the NC game, then all the better.
 
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Yertle;920341; said:
Only one Div 1 team wins a NC. Sure, Akron doesn't really have a shot, but they're still in the same league from that standpoint. ....... But, to treat them like they don't belong in our league is arrogant, in my humble opinion. Their ultimate goal is the same as ours. Win every Div 1 game and make it to the best bowl game they possibly can - and if that's the NC game, then all the better.
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So they are equals because they can theoretically win the NC? By that logic Tulsa is in the same league as Texas, SJSU is in there with USC and the sunbelt conference deserves as much respect as the SEC. I take it you would also be in favor of abolishing weight classes in wrestling so the heavyweights won't be arrogant toward the lightweights? You ever wonder why they have weight classes in things like boxing, pride fighting etc?

What you consider arrogant I call being realistic. An Ohio school hasn't beaten OSU for nearly 100 years and has never won a NC to the best of my knowledge.

Thats not a fluke, there is a reason for it...they aren't in our league.
 
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txbuckeye1983;920295; said:
That game was actually at Paul Brown Stadium. It was technically an away game, even though we had more butts in the seats. And my prediction for this weekend is 45-9.
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You're right, thanks for the correction.. See what listening to the radio does to you! :biggrin:
 
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Jaxbuck;920365; said:
So they are equals because they can theoretically win the NC? By that logic Tulsa is in the same league as Texas, SJSU is in there with USC and the sunbelt conference deserves as much respect as the SEC. I take it you would also be in favor of abolishing weight classes in wrestling so the heavyweights won't be arrogant toward the lightweights? You ever wonder why they have weight classes in things like boxing, pride fighting etc?

What you consider arrogant I call being realistic. An Ohio school hasn't beaten OSU for nearly 100 years and has never won a NC to the best of my knowledge.

Thats not a fluke, there is a reason for it...they aren't in our league.
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Jax, I guess I'm trying to make two points.

1. I'm not saying that they have an equal shot as Ohio State. However, I am saying that I don't agree with the major/minor league analogy. In that analogy, the playing fields are no where near equal. Different competition and different goals. Even the most ambitious minor league manager doesn't tell his team that he wants them to win the World Series this year. In NCAA Div 1 football, the playing fields are the exact same. The teams can play the same opponents for the same ultimate goal. Basically, the teams have the same benchmark, baseline, or measuring stick.

2. I'm not saying that our confidence in a victory is arrogant (and yes, I'm very confident in a victory). I'm suggesting that referring to these teams as minor leaguers is arrogant. Again, what if the rest of the country was referring to Big 10 teams as minor leaguers? We'd get all pissed off and make comments about how the Big 10 is just as tough as everyone else and start threads about how well we do against the SEC since the beginning of the BCS (by the way, I did really enjoy that thread). But, the bottom line is we'd get defensive and maybe even a bit belligerent. That's what I find so ironic and hypocritical about this entire topic... we're talking about these Ohio schools in the same way that the rest of the BCS conferences are talking about the Big 10. And then we don't understand why Akron fans get pissed off at us? hmm....

Anyways, I don't want to get all worked up about it. I'm done now. I'd much rather spend my time reading recruiting updates, basking in the glory of Michigan's sorrow, and getting mentally ready for Akron.
 
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Yertle;920401; said:
we're talking about these Ohio schools in the same way that the rest of the BCS conferences are talking about the Big 10. And then we don't understand why Akron fans get pissed off at us? hmm....
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...and there lies the difference. We have facts, recent events that are in direct opposition to the stated opinion. MAC schools do not. If they say B10 is minor leauge to SEC we say not so fast, please explain our winning record in Bowl games etc. What does a MAC team say? Their best can beat our worst occasionally?

Also there is no way anyone is going to convince me a sane MAC coach sets his team goal as winning the NC. That would be stupid because he knows it won't happen, the kids know it won't happen and it would hurt his credibility with his team. First rule of goal setting is to make sure they are realistic goals.


Like you, I don't think this is a worthwhile discussion. Seems to me the Ohio school fans are looking for something to get their panties twisted about and it doesn't make a fuck bit of difference what they think anyway. The Zips are going to lose by 20+.
 
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Jaxbuck;920482; said:
Like you, I don't think this is a worthwhile discussion. Seems to me the Ohio school fans are looking for something to get their panties twisted about and it doesn't make a fuck bit of difference what they think anyway. The Zips are going to lose by 20+.
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Now, I can agree 100% with those three sentences!!!:banger:
 
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Zips special teams may trouble OSU



Tuesday, September 04, 2007 Elton Alexander

Plain Dealer Reporter
Speed may not kill, but it's been proven it can upset. Certainly it can upset plow-horse Big Ten teams.
If the Akron Zips (1-0) are going to have a special afternoon this week at Ohio State (1-0), it may be because of special teams. One thing the end of last season and the opening week of this season have proven is the Big Ten is vulnerable to speed. Florida displayed it during the national championship against Ohio State in January, and Football Championship Subdivision (formerly Division I-AA) power Appalachian State revealed it against Michigan on Saturday.




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Michigan upset, poor offensive line play among reasons Tressel is wary of Akron
Wednesday, September 5, 2007
By Todd Porter
REPOSITORY SPORTS WRITER

COLUMBUS Six years ago, when Jim Tressel led Ohio State onto the field for the first time, the new coach was nervous. He just hoped his team would line up correctly.

They didn?t. And that was against Akron, which happens to be Saturday?s opponent for the 12th-ranked Buckeyes.

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osugrad21;920689; said:
CPD

Zips special teams may trouble OSU



Tuesday, September 04, 2007 Elton Alexander

Plain Dealer Reporter
Speed may not kill, but it's been proven it can upset. Certainly it can upset plow-horse Big Ten teams.
If the Akron Zips (1-0) are going to have a special afternoon this week at Ohio State (1-0), it may be because of special teams. One thing the end of last season and the opening week of this season have proven is the Big Ten is vulnerable to speed. Florida displayed it during the national championship against Ohio State in January, and Football Championship Subdivision (formerly Division I-AA) power Appalachian State revealed it against Michigan on Saturday.




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So because Akron ripped off a 70-yard return against Army they now are going to be the gazelle to Ohio State's Plow Horse???

:slappy:
 
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