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High Lonesome
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you have been spending too much time in the High Lonesome
I think that it would have been much more clear if you would have stated which "year-end" troy we were refering to, '04 or '05?
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High Lonesome
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Last I checked, I am not X-ray...if you can ever find a place where I call a turnover "unlucky" I would like to see it.
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You don't think Texas was lucky to not have faced OSU's best QB for the entire game? I would have considered OSU very lucky if Vince Young hadn't played the whole game for a reason other than OSU knocking the snot out of him.High Lonesome said:
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I don't buy the Troy Smith/rust argument personally. It's impossible to compare TS hitting his stride after 10 or 11 games versus what he would've done with the Alamo Bowl prep and the spring/fall prep. Most people would agree that nothing simulates real game speed and conditions like playing real games.
Troy would say that his evolution as a QB was from becoming focused on studying game film, which was a result of the loss to Penn State. Troy made a decision to want to know everything JT knows about football, everything the O-coordinators know, and everything opposing D-coordinators know too. He wants to anticipate exactly what's going to happen on a play before the ball is snapped.
That is the difference between TS: week 2 and TS: week 11, because the talent certainly isn't anything new. We knew TS could get it done after the Michigan game in 2004, his problem was always between the ears.
Troy could've (and I'd argue should've) already been doing all of that film study in the offseason of 2005, seeing as how he didn't have much else to do with the team. If he didn't "get it" then when he was low man on the totem pole and needed to kiss some butt with the staff to make good, it's doubtful he'd have seen it if he was the entrenched starter.
Besides, Zwick was the one who made what could have been the clinching, game winning pass; Hamby simply didn't catch it. Two Ohio State QB's entire college and pro careers may ultimately be decided by that one play.
Troy would say that his evolution as a QB was from becoming focused on studying game film, which was a result of the loss to Penn State. Troy made a decision to want to know everything JT knows about football, everything the O-coordinators know, and everything opposing D-coordinators know too. He wants to anticipate exactly what's going to happen on a play before the ball is snapped.
That is the difference between TS: week 2 and TS: week 11, because the talent certainly isn't anything new. We knew TS could get it done after the Michigan game in 2004, his problem was always between the ears.
Troy could've (and I'd argue should've) already been doing all of that film study in the offseason of 2005, seeing as how he didn't have much else to do with the team. If he didn't "get it" then when he was low man on the totem pole and needed to kiss some butt with the staff to make good, it's doubtful he'd have seen it if he was the entrenched starter.
Besides, Zwick was the one who made what could have been the clinching, game winning pass; Hamby simply didn't catch it. Two Ohio State QB's entire college and pro careers may ultimately be decided by that one play.
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Zurp
I have misplaced my pants.
All you Texas fans look alike.
Just kidding. I wasn't trying to imply that you or anyone other than XRay was XRay. I was following the conversation which started with his saying that Ohio State got lucky to get the ball in such good field goal position, and that they wouldn't score 20 points this year against Texas. I was comparing that to the "luck" that Ohio State tended to score field goals, not touchdowns, inside the red zone.
You're right that the Bucks' failure to score TD's instead of FG's was more to do with Texas's's defense than luck (aside from the pass to Hamby). I was just pointing out that it ranks about the same spot on the "luck" chart as those turnovers that Ohio State's defense caused.
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High Lonesome
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I don't see how it can be luck if it was a conscious decision that was made well before the game. It's not like this randomly happened and tOSU had no time to prepare. No I don't see it as lucky; I see it as the reality of tOSU football on Sept 10, 2005. Do I think that you would have been a better team if Troy had never taken that money? Yes. Texas would have been a better team (presumably) if Jordan Shippley would have been able to play, but the reality of Texas football was that he was injured. It wasn't lucky for tOSU but rather unfortunate for Texas.
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The worst part of the whole thing is that RH is/was a great representative of everything JT stands for...
I hate that he is remembered for that single play, but that is the reality of sports.
Great student, great person, great teammate...
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Agree to disagree then. If a teams best player doesn't appear in a game because of anything besides an injury, I consider it luck for the other team, and unlucky for that team.High Lonesome said:
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AND UNFORTUNATELY hAMBY WILL ALWAYS BE REMEMBERD for that play instead of all the good plays he was in. and that is sad that the fans will do that
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Uh ... no? Mack Brown took over in 1998, and beat the Sooners in both '98 and '99. Common misconception. Brown's problem was never with the Sooners per se, it was with Stoops. Brown is 3-5 against Oklahoma in the RRS, 1-5 against Bob Stoops.
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